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lymelady
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:52 pm


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It got me again tonight. It had been a while and
took me by surprise, but it was bad. Grief. Agonizing,
overwhelming grief. A pain so enormous it took my
breath away, making it impossible to cry. Would I
never get over it? Wasn't 25 years long enough to pray
I could have my baby back?
I don't even know when I got pregnant. I don't
remember the discussions that must have taken
place between my mother and me. What I do
remember is being taken to the finest hospital, rolled
into the most sophisticated operating room, having
my baby killed by one of the top doctors in the city.
I also remember waking up and hearing women
crying and screaming, including myself. I remember
indescribable pain, blood, more blood than I had
ever seen.
Several days later, I remember being rushed in the
middle of the night to an emergency room. I was
hemorrhaging and fading in and out of consciousness
from a raging fever. My medical records say that I was
in the hospital for 6 days, underwent 2 D&Cs, and
was rolled back into the O.R. a final time for a
complete hysterectomy. I don't know what stopped
the surgeon, but he saved my life and my ability to
have children. I had been saved from a septic
therapeutic abortion. I was 15 years old.
Since those horrible days in 1973, this has never
once been spoken of. I grew up to become a
professional with a loving husband and seven
beautiful, healthy children. A miracle indeed
considering those are not the odds for someone like
me. I also know that keeping my shame and guilt
silent is killing my baby over and over again. Yes, it
was a baby, not a tissue, a mass, a condition that
needed correcting. She was alive and real and
would be 25 years old if I had given her the
opportunity to live.
My ignorance, fear, and youth were used against
us. If anyone had told me of the secret shame, fear,
pain, and lifelong regret, my baby would be alive
today. If anyone had told me about the potential
life-threatening or fatal medical complications, my
baby would be alive today. If anyone had told me the
truth, my baby would be alive today.
1.





What, you were expecting mutilated fetuses?

Sorry, no, those pictures don't sit well with me, and the unborn are by no means the only victims of abortion.

Consider that being EXTREMELY conservative, 30% of abortions are coerced according to the women who have them (Some numbers go as high as 70. But as I said, I"m going extremely conservative). 5% (conservative again) are forced. That is more than rape and health concerns put together. 2.

Don't forget the physical impact of abortion on women. We all know the risks...the FDA finally gritted its teeth and warned against RU-486. Yeah, rare cases, but don't you think women taking those deserve to know the risks? 3.

But abortion is SAFER than childbirth!

Not according to STAKES. Studies suggest abortion is 3.5 times more deadly than childbirth. Well I guess no one here is surprised, I was a little taken aback. I kinda hoped it was a prolife study, because it's just...a sad statistic. But it isn't. The link I give as a source will be to a prolife site, which has a combination of many studies confirming the STAKES results, but I assure you that you can look up those studies individually and find them in places with no prolife bias. 4.

We are prolife. We aren't profetus. What we can never lose sight of is that all human life is equally important, not more or less so due to age.

Consider the accomodations made for pregnant women by society. A parking space or two in some parking lots. Maternity leave.

Wow. We sure know how to treat our women! Why do so many women choose abortion? They feel it's the only option. Society says, abort or your life is ruined. Prolife advocates tend to respond with saying the fetus's life overrides that anyway, but putting that aside, that isn't true, and if it is, it shouldn't be. Why the heck is pregnancy something to be frowned upon? Why is it a punishment or a burden? Why aren't pregnant women protected from coerced abortion by employers, spouses, or parents?

This is a joke. I actually wish it was, but it isn't. It is LEGAL in this country to perform an abortion against a woman's wishes if you feel it's in the interest of her health. Wait a minute, isn't it her body and her choice? How about some of these lovely proabortion quotes? 5.

"I am the mother of a 12-year-old girl and I can tell you unequivocally that if my daughter was pregnant, I would take her kicking and screaming to have an abortion," - Ellen Barkin 6.



"Saturday's our big day and I didn't want to generate any more confusion, any more panic than was already present at the time. She was loud, and as I said, she was shrill, and there were a lot of patients who were hearing what was going on, and the normal rhythm of the day was interrupted. The other patients must have been terrified, and I didn't want the ambulance showing up with all the lights and sirens." - William P. Egherman (this was an explanation of why he instructed an ambulance to drive without sirens and lights. He botched an abortion and pulled part of her intestines out, after his first attempt at dilating the cervix the patient begged him to stop, but guess what he did?)7.

"I've already paid for it." - boyfriend of a 25 year old woman who came out before even getting on the table, went to him, and was soon sedated and brought back and had the procedure done. 7.

These are attrocious, right? Surely they're isolated events. Well, why are numbers so big? Why are so many women hindered more than helped by abortion? Even when women make the choice themselves, they are victimized. As soon as they are told that abortion is the only way out and there is no life involved, they become victims. When it hits them later on what they have done, they aren't helped. They aren't helped at all. How many women DON'T regret having abortions? 20%. Wow. What a nice number. So 80% of women who go through this suffer but 20% are fine. 8.

"Guilty? Yes. No matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death; But oh, thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime!" - Susan B Anthony 9.

Sums it up nicely. Women who choose to abort for any motive have killed. It'll most likely haunt them for the rest of her life. The ones who feel none of the blow are the ones who convinced her she needed to get one in the first place....they've harmed not only the child, but the woman.

Women's liberation took a step back. "Abortion liberates women." Because it's very liberating for me to know that I am only worth what my body is. Because I feel so free and wonderful just knowing that I am worth nothing if I'm pregnant and have it in my power to fix the problem by killing my child. Really, it is such a blessing. I also enjoy knowing that pregnant women are too weak to be held to the same standards as everyone else. Women with unexpected pregnancies can't succeed unless they have an abortion, because we're just too darn stupid and helpless to come up with any option that doesn't involve killing another human being. That gives me so much confidence.

I close with this quote, because it is something which is very true indeed.

"Abortion is the ultimate exploitation of women." - Alice Paul 9.

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1. Feminists for life, Reprinted from Rachel*s Vineyard
2. Elliot Institute letter, Forced Abortions
3. FDA Warns Against RU-486
4. Abortion Risk
5. Population Research Institute
6. KeepMedia
7. World Net Daily, 03-09-04
8. A List of Major Psychological Sequelae of Abortion
9. Voices of Our Foremothers


PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:06 pm


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These are attrocious, right? Surely they're isolated events. Well, why are numbers so big? Why are so many women hindered more than helped by abortion? Even when women make the choice themselves, they are victimized. As soon as they are told that abortion is the only way out and there is no life involved, they become victims. When it hits them later on what they have done, they aren't helped. They aren't helped at all. How many women say they DON'T regret having abortions? 20%. Wow. What a nice number. So 80% of women who go through this suffer but 20% are fine.


A source for the last part would be very nice... otherwise of course someone else will complain.

Other then that... once again, top notch job from Lymelady.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:16 pm


Oh Kate, if you weren't straight, and I was single and attracted to you that way I'd... I'll stop now while it remains PG-13.

heart Very good and well thought out, as always. I wouldn't expect any less from you, of course.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:41 pm


Really nice thread, I liked it a lot. It only furthur works to piss me off when people claim that if abortion is kept legal that automatically makes it safe. They never consider how much it mentally and physically damages the woman. They never consider the women that don't want to or are pressured into having abortions that they don't want. I love how you pointed out the lies and hypocracy of the pro-choice argument.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:26 am


Wow, you made a lot of good points there! I never really thought about it that way.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:58 pm


Brought a tear to my eye. Very true.

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lymelady
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:17 am


Thankyou! Sure kp, I"ll go gathering. By tomorrow it shall be sourced. I think I"ll use endnotes. Well I guess on a one page paper, they'd be footnotes.... sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:09 pm


lymelady
Thankyou! Sure kp, I"ll go gathering. By tomorrow it shall be sourced. I think I"ll use endnotes. Well I guess on a one page paper, they'd be footnotes.... sweatdrop
Wow I musta been tired when I said that, they're endnotes because it's at the end of the sentance. I'm an odd one.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:39 am


I always like to read about this sort of thing. For one thing, it's better then reading the same arguments about fetuses over and over, and for another it's another side to Pro-Life-ness that most people don't think of.

And I'm confused... Since the sources themselves are at the end of the paper, aren't they footnotes? question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:26 am


Wow! This makes me think of my co-worker (and former friend) who had an abortion last year. By the way, we're not friends anymore because she's severed all personal ties with me since the abortion. I've always tried to be there for her. Anyway, I think she was convinced by her doctor to have the abortion because he was confident that the baby would be born with "problems" or she might lose the baby later in the pregnancy.

A little background to her situation...she's engaged, a smoker, a drinker, and she was still on the pill for about a month before she found out that she was pregnant. She's also 22 years old and has a history of depression. She used to cut herself too. When she became pregnant she told me that everything was fine and that she and her fiance were ready to have a family. Then her doctor told her that the baby wasn't developing properly and that because she was smoking, drinking, and still on the pill for at least the first 6 weeks there was a high risk of brain damage. So she was "forced" to decide to end the baby's life at 11 weeks because she didn't want to have to "kill" an older, more developed baby. She kept repeating that she and her fiance believed that anything earlier than 12 weeks was still a "mass of cells that were not fully formed."

Given her history and her age I honestly believe that her doctor pushed the abortion option. She's still very selfish and immature so I'm sure that she's convinced herself that the abortion was the best choise she could have made at the time. Given that she has a pretty wild lifestyle a baby (healthy or not) would have just been in the way.

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lymelady
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:55 am


She'll probably stay convinced for awhile. A lot of women first regret abortions when they give birth the first time. It hits hard. I hope she gets through it, but it sounds like she's got a lot of growing to do as it is. Don't be surprised if years from now, you get a phonecall from her...it happens a lot. The fact that she keeps repeating that it's not really a child seems to me to be her trying to convince herself...but then she could just be trying to convince people not to worry about it. It's good that you've always been there for her, sounds like you're a good friend.

Footnotes would be like putting a footnote(1) at the end of a word, and endnotes would be putting it at the end of a sentence(2).

1. At least that's how it works in my deranged school.

2. I'm not quite sure, but it gets me A's, so I'm happy.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:49 pm


Beautifully put. One of the reasons I'm so against abortion is it does hurt women a lot.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:12 am


That is so perfect. There are many reasons why I am against abortion and this proves it, Abortion is morally incorrect, it hurts people emotionally, it causes pain to the fetus...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:29 pm


I read that one story... it's disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach and intestines... why didn't the doctor stop when she told him to??

A Menina Pianista


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:34 pm


This is...sick...

SHer told him to stop...and he wouldn't, ultimately tearing out her inards in a botched atempt, and then he wanted to cover it up form puplic view...my God. Thats liek the story of the woman who supposedly gave premature birth to a what she said was a living baby, and doctors denied help, saying they wanted it to die. SHe was there ot have an abortion, I forget what they did, but then they told her to use the bathroom...she did, and she had her baby.

She cellphoned her best friend, who called the police, who called parametics. WHen the police and parametics arrived the doctors told them that there was no pastent of their discrition, they then later siad that she was there, and she was histaricle. This is sick and wrong...this is why I can some what sympathize with the man who bombed an abortion clinic. Only some what though, because some times I feel like doign it my self...
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