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Vexien

PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:40 pm


*GASP*

And while we're on the subject, why not? D;

I, right now, can't possibly think of any. I'll input when I think of them. ;P[/lazeh]



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We had a character flame thread that got turned into a general pairings thread. This thread includes the important question 'why' and is, therefore ok with me 3nodding As long as no one gets nasty it's all good.


Thought I should quote this so everyone could know i'm under Pandy's protection/shield. this before a comment. 3nodding
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:54 am


Anything involving Rick, because he's irritating and a total b*****d.
And ***** pairings (ex. BorisYuriy) can toss off for obvious reasons.

Did we have a thread like this earlier that got turned into the general pairings babble topic?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:20 am


All of them?

Some I don't really mind like KaRe, but I can't stand KaiTaka because it's so mistaken in its own genre (and because the fandom are extreme cultists and that bothers me, but that's another issue...)
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:47 am


We had a character flame thread that got turned into a general pairings thread. This thread includes the important question 'why' and is, therefore ok with me 3nodding As long as no one gets nasty it's all good.

The only pairings I don't like are ones that make absolutely no sense to me personality-wise (and even then, there are exceptions).

For example, I do NOT like ReiMariah. In no way do they actually make sense to me- I think she just got paired with him because she seems to be the only girl in Rei's home village and so it MUST be love.

Another I've never been able to understand is JohnnyKai. I mean... wth? They LOATHE each other. At least with TaKa they respect each other through their rivalry. XD


The End.

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BloodyFoxy

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:30 pm


hmm...i dont seem to get MaxMariam but it doesnt mean i hate it but i just dont get it...HilaryKai is a big NO NO to me..
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:53 am


I've said it many times and is not afraid to say that I was the one who originated that thread and say
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:13 am


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For example, I do NOT like ReiMariah. In no way do they actually make sense to me- I think she just got paired with him because she seems to be the only girl in Rei's home village and so it MUST be love.

There was nothing to suggest a ReiMao relationship in the anime, I agree that far because there was nothing to suggest anything passed friendship between the beybladers anyway.

I'm sure some people have realised that relationships were only present in the Adult characters, even going as far as Judy/Romero in one scene...


Yuriy/Julia is wtf because I swear some people only base pairings on hair colour. Yuriy or Kai/Hilary is just no. She was shown to like Takao anyway.

Bottom line: I don't like child pairings in my Shonen, but I would accept them if they were actually evident.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:13 am


I hate it when someone pairs Kenny with Kai or Tyson or even -gag- Tala. wtf? it disturbs me. I think Kenny should either be paired with a girl on the show or an OC.

I also find it stupid when people pair up characters that haven't battled or probably even really met each other and would never get along.


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BloodyFoxy

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:10 pm


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I hate it when someone pairs Kenny with Kai or Tyson or even -gag- Tala. wtf? it disturbs me. I think Kenny should either be paired with a girl on the show or an OC.

I also find it stupid when people pair up characters that haven't battled or probably even really met each other and would never get along.
i really agree on this one...if Kenny were to have feelings for one of those 3...i dont know how will they react...it is soooo disturbing...
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:19 pm


XD I actually like pairings that have no basis in the show IF and only IF their personalities match in a relationship-like way. I think that if you only paired people up who had battled you would be limiting yourself, I think.

Bey has so little character development that I think that the ability to match people up despite there being little to no contact is practically by design. (Ok, so maybe not, but I like to believe Aoki Takao really meant for Rei to get with Johnny XD)

It's my personal belief that Kenny was made for Hilary and vice versa. They were actually the first pairing I latched on to even before I joined the fandom.

There is only one character I can not imagine getting paired with anyone. Ever. Max. I'll explain why later. Now I must run.

EDIT: Anyways, where did I leave off? Yes, Max. For whatever reason I cannot see Max as a sexual being (lolz at mother-like phrase) I think I just have some kind of mental block for Max ever forming a romantic relationship with anyone and especially him having the sex (*gasp shock*) I used to play around with TyMa but then I looked at it and actually went '...eww... Max nekkid = D:'

Does anyone else have mental blocks like that for certain characters? Like you believe that they should just remain celibate for your own sanity?

And on that note: JoRe = heart

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:57 am


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Does anyone else have mental blocks like that for certain characters? Like you believe that they should just remain celibate for your own sanity?

Kai. And all of the main characters, really. They're 10 and 12 year olds in series 1.

Maybe Aoki Takao saw the Max thing that way, he and Kenny were the only BladeBreakers shown without children. It freaked them out enough when Makoto called them 'uncles'...
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:34 am


Not that age really has much to do with things these days. You know what twelve years olds are doing these days? More guys than i want to think about -_-;

Oh and no offence Zloy, i respect your opinion and don't want to change it but for me personally that answer would be pretty weak, cos they are growing up throughout the series, they have hormones(they're like my age in the 3rd series and theres more hormones than i can handle) and in my mind, pairing wise, they have grown up. 3nodding

But, i've never watched the first or second series or read the manga and only part of the 3rd, like the end, so they're old enough to me.

That testosterone has to go somewhere.

And i agree on the max thing strangely enough... and i can't see tyson parting with his food or with beyblades in anyway to have a steady relationship.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:20 am


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Oh and no offence Zloy, i respect your opinion and don't want to change it but for me personally that answer would be pretty weak, cos they are growing up throughout the series, they have hormones(they're like my age in the 3rd series and theres more hormones than i can handle) and in my mind, pairing wise, they have grown up. 3nodding


I'm not taking offence, I'm surprised no ones screamed at me yet, my opinion and belief on this is strong.
What I'm trying to say is, like someone once said, if there were to be actual formed relationships then you would see them. No reaching around in the dark looking for 'clues' that aren't there or are mistaken for friendships.

So let's assess these clues.

In series one, we see that Rei has a crush on a famous lady, he blushes when his friends find out he got her autograph. In his battle with Mao, it is hinted that they might be more than friends. Kai says to him, battles must be won with the head and not the heart. The younger bladers are only shown to be interested in battling, teamwork and friendship.

In VForce Max is shown to have an interest in girls but only to the point of being charming. Kenny says in one episode 'but Max doesn't have a girlfriend' when it is hinted he is fighting Marium.
Takao shows the typical love/hate interest in Hilary but this does not continue in GRevolution, they are shown to be typical friends who have known each other for a while. In this series, the only noticeable thing is Kenny is shown to have a crush on MingMing.

And that's all I recall of 'hints'. And does anything ever come from these short-lived crushes in the anime? No.

Timeskip towards the future in the manga. Rei has a child with Mao, what a surprise... and the two main rivals have one child, boys none the less, who are also interested in Beyblading and happen to be fighting each other. Pulled away from family life (not sure if Takao had a job) and work at Hiwatari Industries the two main rivals join up again, to what, declare that they always loved each other secretly? Have an adult conversation about how their lives are going? No, they Bey-battle, of course. It's what the young readers are delighted to see as closure for the series. "They're grown ups, but they still get to play with the tops I think are so fun!"

They are 12-14 year olds that are only beginning to discover relationships, thus why this Shonen only shows crushes. The responsible adults form relationships to breed the new generation of Beybladers. But that is shown to be a small aspect of the show.

This show is aimed at young boys. They don't watch it for relationship 'hints', they watch it for what you can't miss; the battling.

It seems young boys can see the true purpose better than anyone else.
Shonen are about friendship. Look at Naruto, the most that happens is Sakura and Ino have a crush on Sasuke, Naruto has a crush on Sakura and Hinata has a crush on Naruto. It's a triangle thrown in for some comic relief.
These pairings won't happen until much later or a special chapter at the end as we've seen in Beyblade.

If Beyblade was about relationships and Yaoi then it would be classified as another genre of anime, not Shonen, and it wouldn't be made to make 8 year old boys scream at mom to buy them those cool new battle tops that their favourite characters have.

Lainy Wolf
That testosterone has to go somewhere.

After all those Bey-battles is there really any left...

It's a 2-Dimensional cartoon with poor character development, designed to be action-filled enough for parents' wallets everywhere to make undesired contributions to the Takara and Hasbro companies. We were given what was expected; a few 'crush' scenes to fill up the air time outside of battling.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:05 pm


XD Wow, if that's your opinion of Bey why are you in the fandom? (No offense intended)

I understand where you're coming from with the 2d characters etc- it's actually one of the reasons that Bey has so endeared itself to me. I like that there is no real explanation as to why the characters are the way they are. I think it provides a more interactive experience because the viewer isn't given everything and actually has to think (Or, in the case of the target audience, watch the pretty tops and shut up)

As a shounen series I quite agree with you that there are no true 'canon' pairings and only hints that are WAY blown out of proportion and/or misinterpreted as two people having feelings for each other etc. And so, as there is nothing definite of screen this gives the viewer even more licence. Because the characters are shown to grow season by season in maturity it is feasible that each of the characters also grown to be concerned with other things that are either hinted at or not shown at all.

For example, check out Max's LEAP in maturity from the 1st to the third series. Haven't seen the second so I can't comment but in the 1st season he is mostly only concerned with his beyblading and team spirit and all that Jazz. The only time he shows real strength of character is when he has his D&M with his mum before the American tournament. By the third season, Max has come to understand a lot more about life in general. This is shown very clearly when he leaves Tyson- his best friend- to go join the PPB allstars- very similar to his initial conversation with his mother but charged with much deeper feelings. He has grown from being an innocent child choosing his loyalties to a mature person choosing to leave another for his own survival (exaggerated but you get the picture) Despite KNOWING the sense of betrayal Tyson will feel. Subtle but it’s there.

Anyways, my original point. As each of the characters mature it is feasible that they will begin to have other things in their lives apart from their beyblading. Even elite athletes have some type of life. As the show is centred around Beyblading and is not character based- and with so many characters it is almost impossible to be- it is understandable that the aspects of lie- such as romantic relationships have ignored as they are considered unimportant to the theme of the show.

Which is all fair enough. However, as mentioned before, Beyblade provides the opportunity for fans to ‘fill the gaps’, as it were. To give these very two dimensional characters some semblance of what is perceived to be the ‘normal teenage life’ (As far as I know, normal teenage life does not include hot sweaty sex every second day but perception is a wonderful thing. As is creative licence)

By creating pairings on hintings alone fans are going far out of the set show’s boundaries. However, isn’t that what fandom is all about? Exploring and expanding on to find meaning in something that is loved?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:44 am


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XD Wow, if that's your opinion of Bey why are you in the fandom?

I know most of the girls in the fandom watch it for the apparent pairing side of it, but to see the rest you have to see it in the point of view of a boy, I suppose. There's the actual Hobby side I like as well that completely disregards the characters beyond the product boxes and bitbeast stickers.

I suppose you need quite a good imagination to watch Shonen if you're not an 8 year old boy...

I want to make it clear I have no problem with people supporting pairings in Shonen, it's just when they take it too far that irks me, to the point where they get violent and protective of fake characters over real people etc. Also the way people ignore aspects to make their OTP 'better' than other people's, causing them to cause offense to others. I mean it's a show and some people treat it like a cult.


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For example, check out Max's LEAP in maturity from the 1st to the third series. Haven't seen the second so I can't comment but in the 1st season he is mostly only concerned with his beyblading and team spirit and all that Jazz.

The second series does fill in that gap from what I've seen, at least for one aspect. Though it was a rather prompt change still between the first and second series. The first time we see him in VForce he says something like "I didn't know you knew such a pretty lady" (To Hilary) or something vaguely along those lines. That blends nicely into G Revolution the way we see he treats Emily in his first match. Moving back to America helped him mature in general.


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By creating pairings on hintings alone fans are going far out of the set show’s boundaries. However, isn’t that what fandom is all about? Exploring and expanding on to find meaning in something that is loved?

That's one view and it depends on what type of person you are.
Beyblade is set, done, finished in its own purpose. It ran through the set amount of years, released a set amount of products, hosted the tournaments, websites etc. all on official terms. The other side is the unofficial fans that extended it and changed it. But unless someone is making a huge amount of money from something copyrighted to Beyblade, the officials don't exactly care.

It comes down to the fact I'm an extremely logical person. If something isn't in anime then why should I make it up, especially when other factors make it all the more unlikely (e.g second generations from het couplings as proof.)
It's just that Aoki Takao never struck me as the type of Mangaka that likes to draw BL or include anything more than proper couplings in adult characters. I understand Japanese Mangaka are catching onto the fact Yaoi and pairings are big business but even then, if Aoki Takao created this Beyblade for the show's products, and there was a large majority of girl readers instead of the young boys who were mostly meant to be the target audience, then perhaps the companies would consider changing the merchandise to plushies and changing it from a Shonen to something else.

But saying that, do people want what their respected author had in mind, or what he and the sponsored companies would possibly twist and create in response to getting more money from fangirls if they were the majority?
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