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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:53 pm
I am very serious about the possibility of converting to Judaism. I'm not really sure if you can call it a conversion if you don't have a religion to begin with though sweatdrop
My family history is Italian and Irish so I'm nervous that I won't be accepted by the community... confused I'm also nervous about Hebrew. I'm pretty quick to pick up language but it seems like Jewish people use Hebrew words for a lot of things.. I hope that doesn't sound stereotypical it's just kinda how Jewish people I've known over the years have been. sweatdrop sweatdrop
I have absolutely no idea where to begin. Do I take classes? Am I allowed to go to Temple without being Jewish? Can I even be Jewish if my family isn't from Jerusalem or Israel?
Any advice would be great! Thanks ahead of time mrgreen
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:44 pm
I'll try to answer some of your questions to the best of my abilities.
1. I wouldn't be too worried about being accepted. You should never be ashamed of being Jewish, or of wanting to convert. It's something to be proud of, and if they can't accept it, you'll still have the Jewish community to accept you.
2. I barely speak Hebrew, and I'm a Jew. It's good to learn, but by no means so important that you can't be a Jew if you don't speak it.
3. Take classes for Hebrew? You can, although it is probably better to find a Rabbi who speaks it and is willing to help you learn.
4. You can go to services without being Jewish. I don't see why anyone would stop you.
5. Yes, you can be Jewish without being from Israel or Jerusalem. My family is from Germany and Puerto Rico, and we're Jews.
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:24 am
Dis Domnu I'll try to answer some of your questions to the best of my abilities. 1. I wouldn't be too worried about being accepted. You should never be ashamed of being Jewish, or of wanting to convert. It's something to be proud of, and if they can't accept it, you'll still have the Jewish community to accept you. 2. I barely speak Hebrew, and I'm a Jew. It's good to learn, but by no means so important that you can't be a Jew if you don't speak it. 3. Take classes for Hebrew? You can, although it is probably better to find a Rabbi who speaks it and is willing to help you learn. 4. You can go to services without being Jewish. I don't see why anyone would stop you. 5. Yes, you can be Jewish without being from Israel or Jerusalem. My family is from Germany and Puerto Rico, and we're Jews.
I'm not nervous about the "outside" community accepting me, I'm worried about the Jewish community accepting me. It seems like a lot of people within the Jewish community are very close and I guess it's kind of like school where you try to get the cool kids to like you only this is faith based instead of clothes based.. LOL
I'm a 22 year old female, do you have a clue as to where a good place to start is? I'm completely lost XD There is a reform Temple down the road that I'm trying to get in contact with to find out about services but I haven't heard anything back yet confused
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:58 am
Sophia Bythos I am very serious about the possibility of converting to Judaism. I'm not really sure if you can call it a conversion if you don't have a religion to begin with though sweatdrop My family history is Italian and Irish so I'm nervous that I won't be accepted by the community... confused I'm also nervous about Hebrew. I'm pretty quick to pick up language but it seems like Jewish people use Hebrew words for a lot of things.. I hope that doesn't sound stereotypical it's just kinda how Jewish people I've known over the years have been. sweatdrop sweatdrop I have absolutely no idea where to begin. Do I take classes? Am I allowed to go to Temple without being Jewish? Can I even be Jewish if my family isn't from Jerusalem or Israel? Any advice would be great! Thanks ahead of time mrgreen Yes, it counts as conversion. You're not converting away from anything, but you're converting towards something, and you deserve the honor of recognizing that transition. It's a big deal, after all. smile You don't have to speak Hebrew when you start out. It helps to learn a little bit, but you don't have to be fluent. Jewish prayer is traditionally done in Hebrew (and occasionally Aramaic), but really, the Talmud as well as common practice insist that you pray in the language you understand, so that you know what you're praying. People do pepper their words with Hebrew or Yiddish or Ladino often, but that won't be a huge impediment. People are almost always willing to help and to share what they know if someone asks or seems a bit lost. You don't have to be from Israel, or any other place, to be or become a Jew. My family are Arab, Turkish, Black (African, uncertain nationality/tribe), Native American, Dutch, Norwegian, Hungarian, Russian, Lithuania, Swedish, German, and probably a bit more. There have been converts from all races, in all nations. I personally know a handful of Asian Jews, Black Jews, South American Jews, Irish Jews, Australian Jews... there is no place where we haven't been, and there is no place where we've not found others who want to join us and be adopted into mishpachat Yisrael (the family of Israel). And while we don't ever ask or push people to convert, we do welcome sincere converts with open arms, once we see their sincerity. There are Jewish communities in which it's hard to be a new person. At first you might find people are just so wrapped up in their own prayers or concerns or social activities that they don't realize there's anyone new among them at all, so they don't realize they should come say hello or ask if you need help with the prayers. In one congregation I know, they're wary of converts because one convert completed his conversion, then made a public speech about how he was now a "completed Jew" for Jesus -- which meant that he should never have converted, because now he was a Jew who was actively practicing a faith antithetical to Judaism, and had to be shunned, and that's painful for the community. But in most communities, you'll find that people are delighted, once they realize that you really are serious about wanting to be one of them. It makes them feel that what they've spent all their lives doing is somehow validated by the fact that someone would voluntarily take on the obligations that they were handed at birth. The Talmud actually says, "One convert is worth seventy born Jews," because a sincere convert's joy in coming to Judaism is so profound that it can often reawaken the Jewish spirits of those around her and make them realize how great a treasure they can claim as their heritage. Speaking of heritage, a convert is fully Jewish once they've completed conversion. Once the conversion is complete, it's forbidden to speak of the person as a convert, or remind them of their past, unless they themselves bring it up for discussion. This isn't because a convert should ever be ashamed, G*D forbid, but because we don't want to ever make them feel like an outsider. Conversion is only partially about belief and practice, you see: it's also about adoption. Just as an adopted child can say, "These are my parents," when they didn't give birth to the child, a convert to Judaism can say, "I am the descendant of Avraham and Sarah." In fact, a convert's new name is " , son/daughter of Avraham Our Father and Sarah Our Mother." Israel isn't just a modern country, but a very old and proud family. We do adopt new members from time to time, and we love them as if we'd birthed them ourselves.
Going to synagogue: Yes, go for it! After all, the book of Isaiah proclaims the Holy Temple "a house of prayer for all peoples," and if even the holiest place on earth is open to everyone, then surely a synagogue is also open. Make sure to ask a friendly-looking person to sit near you and help you out; just explain that you've never been, and don't want to stand out. They'll surely feel compassionate; after all, a LOT of folks never started going to synagogue until they were adults, too, so they remember what it's like to be new and uncertain. People are good at heart, and most of them want to help.
There are Introduction To Judaism classes at most synagogues, as well as beginning Hebrew lessons. Call around to nearby synagogues and find out which ones teach the classes and whether they charge for them.
Finally: There's an old midrash that says that a convert already possesses a Jewish neshamah (soul). You see, the book of Deuteronomy has Hashem (God) saying, "I do not make this covenant only with you who are here today, but also with those who are not here." This is interpreted to mean that every Jew who was ever born or converted after the revelation at Sinai was also present, a piece of their soul was there, and therefore took part in ratifying the covenant. So you're already a Jew. You just need conversion in order to wake up that one dormant part of your soul, and then you will have come home to your own family.
Welcome home!
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:23 pm
One tradition I am really drawn to is the mikvah. I actually really look forward to getting the chance to go. I am unmarried and have never had children. Do you think it woudl be inappropriate to go before I am fully converted? I'll admit I knew of it but not about it. Once I started reading I didn't seem at all put off by it. I can understand how someone might view it as Judaism saying women are unpure. But to me, it shoudl be viewed as sacred. We women have the ability to sustian life. Sure, it takes a man and a women to creat life but women are blessed with the responsibility to sustain and carry that life out. If that doesn't come to fruition, we should honors our bodies and G-d and cleanse ourselves, preparing for the next opportunity. It's such a beautiful tradition..
Sorry if I go on. I truly am excited about this. I've spent my entire life without religion. Spirituality yes. I always considered myself spiritual. But not religious. I'm so excited about feeling like I've finally found my way 3nodding There's so much I look forward to learning!!
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:09 pm
Well it finally happened! I was able to get in contact with a rabbi from the Reform Temple here in town and I'm setting up an appointment to meet with her about everything. When I saw she responded to my Email I think I actually went "EEEEEEEE!" LOL. So hopefully this week or next we can set something up to meet. I'm so excited! 4laugh
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:40 pm
-AC1D-BURN- One tradition I am really drawn to is the mikvah. I actually really look forward to getting the chance to go. I am unmarried and have never had children. Do you think it woudl be inappropriate to go before I am fully converted? I'll admit I knew of it but not about it. Once I started reading I didn't seem at all put off by it. I can understand how someone might view it as Judaism saying women are unpure. But to me, it shoudl be viewed as sacred. We women have the ability to sustian life. Sure, it takes a man and a women to creat life but women are blessed with the responsibility to sustain and carry that life out. If that doesn't come to fruition, we should honors our bodies and G-d and cleanse ourselves, preparing for the next opportunity. It's such a beautiful tradition.. Sorry if I go on. I truly am excited about this. I've spent my entire life without religion. Spirituality yes. I always considered myself spiritual. But not religious. I'm so excited about feeling like I've finally found my way 3nodding There's so much I look forward to learning!! Mikvah is truly a gorgeous tradition, and I join you in looking forward to the time when you can immerse. The first time you immerse, though, should be at your conversion immersion. I highly recommend the wonderful book, A Hedge Of Roses, written by Norman Lamm. Ask for it at any synagogue or Judaica store, including online stores -- I'm sure they'd be pleased to order it for you if they don't already stock it. It's a very small book, about 100 half-size pages. It doesn't give the laws of mikvah or of family purity (women's mitzvot), but it does explain why they're so important and what makes them so special. I pray that your enthusiasm grows rather than wanes, and that your thirst for learning will never abate. Every Jew is a jewel, and just as any wealthy person is delighted to find a jewel she never knew she had until it was returned to her, Yisrael will be so happy to embrace you once your conversion brings you finally and completely home. Mazal tov, in the sense of "good luck."
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:24 pm
About feeling uncomfortable about being a convert. Ruth, a convert to Judaism, is the Great-grandmother of king David who will be the descendant to the Messiah.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:20 pm
The Talmud contains a statement to the effect that one convert is worth seventy born-Jews. Why would it say that? Because often, a convert makes a thoughtful, intelligent, forewarned, mindful choice. Not only that, but often a convert's enthusiasm for Judaism can re-inspire Jews who grew up taking Jewishness for granted. Don't ever, ever be intimidated or feel that you're less than a born-Jew. You are absolutely equal, as a convert. In fact, converts are often said to be returning to a path that their ancestors left, so often converts are welcomed 'back' home just as joyfully as one would welcome back a child who'd been separated from its parents at birth.
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:11 pm
Because you are looking to convert through a reform rabbi you might want to make sure to request to be immersed in the mikvah because it is not required. I agree with you that it is a very attractive tradition and my immersion is something I am really looking forward when I am done with the process of converting. As far as classes, you don't have to learn hebrew, though learning to read might be nice I know it has helped me a lot with understanding during prayer and if you do get the chance to sing in hebrew with the congregation it feels wonderful, or at least it does for me. You might also be required to take a Judaism 101 course with the temple.
Some books I would recommend are Any book by Rabbi Joseph Telushikin Embracing Judaism by Simcha Kling
I will put more up as a find them, or as I am assigned them by my rabbi. Also, you could get a Judaism for dummies book. It sounds really lame, but it does cover the basics really well. heart
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:58 am
You know, my intro to Judaism class has the Idiots guide to Judaism as the text...the Rabbi went on for a while about how "Yes,I laughed out loud when it was suggested, but it turned out to be a really good way to cover the intro stuff"
For Hebrew, the Rabbi set up a study group among those who don't know it and those who want to-like group tutoring- to learn the basics. Is the Mikvah really optional for Reform groups? I thought it was a staple of the religion?
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:49 am
Dancing, different Reform rabbis handle mikvah and circumcision differently. Some will say that by them, it's optional. Some will say that by them, it's mandatory.
The other branches of Judaism go with the Biblical and Talmudic law: milah (circumcision) is mandatory for men, and mikvah (immersion) and mitzvah (acceptance of all the commandments, and of the structure of rabbinic law and decision-making) are mandatory for all. There is one final component of conversion, the convert's sacrifice, which must be brought to the Holy Temple at Jerusalem. Since the Holy Temple is not standing, a convert in these times must vow to bring the sacrifice when the mashiach comes to us and the Temple is rebuilt; until then, the sacrificial offering is in abeyance.
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