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The Mathematician

PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:46 am


I'm going to be applying to grad schools soon and figured it couldn't hurt to get to know some grads. 3nodding So please, pull up a chair and give me some dirt on the reality of graduate life!


Where do you go and what made you pick that place?
What are you studying?
Best thing about your program:
Worst thing about your program:
What are your plans after completing your program?
Anything else to add?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:38 pm


Whoo, questionnaires!

Where do you go and what made you pick that place? University College London. I got my first degree here, I knew people in the research group from my time as an undergraduate. As cities go: London >> Oxford. I briefly considered US study, then decided that the GREs are a pain in the arse, and I get paid better here.
What are you studying? Experimental high-energy physics
Best thing about your program: Best thing? Well, I'm in the control room at CDF as I post this, having just turned the detector off before the Tevatron shutdown. I get to live in Chicago while I get paid in GBP and the exchange rate is very awesome. XD
Worst thing about your program: The hours… and the fact that you can spend little time doing physics and rather spend more time fixing all the ******** bugs in your analysis code. And ROOT; ROOT is evil. [I also only have funding for four years study.]
What are your plans after completing your program? Postdoctoral research, quant or perhaps I'll just become a bum.
Anything else to add? I like cheese. In all seriousness, my comments about long hours will be true of all graduate programmes.

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The Mathematician

PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:24 am


Do you know if it's common for students to stay on at their undergraduate institution to complete their PhD?
Also, is four years of funding enough to cover your program and complete your study? I mean, is it a four-year thing? All of the ones I've looked at are five-year, but that's for math study in the US, so it may be different for you.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:36 am


at my university if you are going to go into physics (at least I don't know about the other porgrams) you get funded for 6 years.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:02 pm


The Mathematician
Do you know if it's common for students to stay on at their undergraduate institution to complete their PhD?

The received wisdom is that you should move to work under different people as you are still learning. In hindsight, perhaps I should have taken my other offer, but I'm happy as I am.

The Mathematician
Also, is four years of funding enough to cover your program and complete your study? I mean, is it a four-year thing? All of the ones I've looked at are five-year, but that's for math study in the US, so it may be different for you.

The quoted "length" of a PhD in the UK is nominally three years. Though, people generally go over that, so there was an appeal to get an extra year of funding. In my group people seem to submit a thesis in their fourth year but some do not submit until their fifth. There is only the funding for four, so you really should get one out by then. It is not an ideal situation, that's just how it is with the funding people who hold the purse strings.

Though, I should add that we do not have "programs" as it were. This is now getting very HEP-specific. True, some HEP groups make their graduate students take some classes — London crams it into the opening three months so people can go out on LTA sooner, Oxford, as a comparison, spreads it out over the first year.

Come to think, the way the systems are run may be sufficiently different to make my experiences, at least from a logistical side, not very helpful. >_>
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:53 pm


I have to say I'm considering doing my Phd in Maynooth, Ireland. it's the same college I'm in for undergrad but their Hamilton institute is top notch, especially for what I'll be looking into.

Morberticus


The Mathematician

PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:11 am


Interesting...I'm considering staying on at my undergrad for the PhD as well, but I am also concerned about "moving on to bigger and better things."

Morberticus, care to elaborate on what you're looking into?

A Lost Iguana, why is it that HEP grads take only three months/a year's worth of classes before starting thesis research? For the math PhD in the US you usually take about two years of classes before starting your three years of actual research. I'm guessing it's because the math PhD isn't very specialized and you're required to know a variety of subjects before being accepted as a PhD candidate; I assume it also has to do with the amount of funding you receive.

This may not be particularly helpful in my own grad search, but it's very interesting to learn about. :3
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:19 am


Well, I already had the equivalent [ish] of a Masters degree [MSci] upon finishing as an undergraduate [a four year course]. Had I only got a Bachelors [BSc, three years] then the normal process is to complete a further years study to get a separate Masters [MSc] before you can start a PhD. Assuming the opening years are the same

I can't explain why the system is how it is.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:03 am


A Lost Iguana
Well, I already had the equivalent [ish] of a Masters degree [MSci] upon finishing as an undergraduate [a four year course]. Had I only got a Bachelors [BSc, three years] then the normal process is to complete a further years study to get a separate Masters [MSc] before you can start a PhD. Assuming the opening years are the same

I can't explain why the system is how it is.


Yeah I heard that if I went to the states I'd been seen as an 'undergrad God' because our courses are more rigorous and a year longer. We get that strange 'Msci' thing appended to our Bsc.

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Morberticus, care to elaborate on what you're looking into?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:20 pm


Where do you go and what made you pick that place?
I went to the University of Oregon. I had been working at an ISP and decided to take an abstract algebra class for fun. The instructor talked me into going back to school, and I eventually graduated after 7 years(as of about two months ago) with my PhD.
What are you studying?
I studied mathematics. I guess my specialty has become Clifford-Weyl algebras (not to be confused with either Clifford algebras or Weyl algebras-- Clifford-Weyl algebras are generalizations of Clifford algebras that are defined over Z2-graded vector spaces)
Best thing about your program:
Lots of good things-- good (and caring) professors (I had a great advisor too). Nice co-workers and society. A decent level of rigor.
Worst thing about your program:
An almost a complete lack of counselling. (partially my own fault), but a symptom of this problem is instructive: my advisor went to Canada to study symplectic geometry for a year without telling me in advance. That made things tricky, and set me back aways.
What are your plans after completing your program?
I worked as a visiting professor for a year up at Reed college, as I finished up my dissertation (we had discovered a problem with it just a few days before I was originally scheduled to defend, and it destroyed the entire argument-- it took me another year to fix it, and I'd run out of funding). Now, like most things in my life, I'm doing something barely related to my program and working a bioinformatics postdoc, but it's great place to work, and it looks as if I might be on to something really interesting, so I'm quite content.

Anything else to add?
Try to get an advisor who has already had at least a few students and be CERTAIN you know all the steps you need to complete to earn your degree. Don't let anything sneak up on you.

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geodesic42

PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:40 pm


Morberticus
Yeah I heard that if I went to the states I'd been seen as an 'undergrad God' because our courses are more rigorous and a year longer. We get that strange 'Msci' thing appended to our Bsc.


Awwww, now I just feel dumb and underaccomplished. I was pretty happy with my progress and now I wonder if I'm behind the European power curve...
PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:57 pm


geodesic42
Morberticus
Yeah I heard that if I went to the states I'd been seen as an 'undergrad God' because our courses are more rigorous and a year longer. We get that strange 'Msci' thing appended to our Bsc.


Awwww, now I just feel dumb and underaccomplished. I was pretty happy with my progress and now I wonder if I'm behind the European power curve...


I've spent the last year swiping notes online from US colleges that don't secure their material, and I've found little evidence to back up my assertion above . So it seems the rumours were wrong. And the word on the street is (according to a friend of mine who participated in an exchange programme this year) you guys have to put a lot more work/time into your undergrad courses. It's all anecdotal evidence but I enthusiastically retract that post I wrote almost a year ago.

Out of curiosity: How many years does your undergrad entail?

Morberticus


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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 3:40 am


Morberticus
geodesic42
Morberticus
Yeah I heard that if I went to the states I'd been seen as an 'undergrad God' because our courses are more rigorous and a year longer. We get that strange 'Msci' thing appended to our Bsc.


Awwww, now I just feel dumb and underaccomplished. I was pretty happy with my progress and now I wonder if I'm behind the European power curve...


I've spent the last year swiping notes online from US colleges that don't secure their material, and I've found little evidence to back up my assertion above . So it seems the rumours were wrong. And the word on the street is (according to a friend of mine who participated in an exchange programme this year) you guys have to put a lot more work/time into your undergrad courses. It's all anecdotal evidence but I enthusiastically retract that post I wrote almost a year ago.

Out of curiosity: How many years does your undergrad entail?


US undergrad consists of four years to get a bachelors, usually.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:57 am


The recent 3rd level institution league tables are a little disheartening (for me). Ireland used to have a good educational reputation, but colleges and universities here seem to be suffering the same problems that have plagued many U.S. highchools: Placing greater emphasis on the preservation of self-esteem than on genuine hard work and acheivement. Any masters qualification I get from Trinity simply won't carry as much international weight as it used to because of this.

It's a shame really. One of the main reasons my family moved to this country was because I could receive the equivalent of an Ivy league education at a fraction of the cost. But that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. And what's more, colleges and universities in the states (Especially New England, where I used to live) are offering more and more impressive bursaries and scholarships.

*shrug* oh well. *Makes a paper plane out of degree parchment.* rolleyes

Morberticus


geodesic42

PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:34 pm


Morberticus
The recent 3rd level institution league tables are a little disheartening (for me). Ireland used to have a good educational reputation, but colleges and universities here seem to be suffering the same problems that have plagued many U.S. highchools: Placing greater emphasis on the preservation of self-esteem than on genuine hard work and acheivement. Any masters qualification I get from Trinity simply won't carry as much international weight as it used to because of this.

It's a shame really. One of the main reasons my family moved to this country was because I could receive the equivalent of an Ivy league education at a fraction of the cost. But that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. And what's more, colleges and universities in the states (Especially New England, where I used to live) are offering more and more impressive bursaries and scholarships.

*shrug* oh well. *Makes a paper plane out of degree parchment.* rolleyes


Morb, I know you know your stuff and respect your opinion (recall I've mentioned you specifically in a few posts regarding solid state and chaos theory). Even if your masters doesn't carry as much weight as it used to, I know it's not something to scoff at. I really doubt your CV will make it hard to find a position somewhere. =)

Very late edit: Trinity is also an absurdly reputable school. My dad tends to be pretty savvy about a school's reputation (especially in physics) and says Trinity is the only other U.K. school whose undergrad degree is highly recognized by Cambridge and Oxford (can you confirm this? ^_^).
Anywho, mayhaps if you're pondering going for a Ph.D. you could head to one of the schools in the New England area.
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