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Okay, so one of the people that I work with is extremely prolife. His reason being that "Scientifically life begins at conception". I've debated that fact with him, saying that it really depends on when you say life begins but he wont budge. So, in our most recent debate I took it from a different perspective...

(this is paraphrased)

Me: Okay, so we can agree on the fact that women can spontaniously miscarry right? With out any control over it, her body can just get rid of the pregnancy right?
Him: Yes. It happens.
Me: Okay. So, let's say that I'm driving along and all of a sudden my breaks go out on my car. The e-brake goes out, there is nothing I can do to control it. Im going down a hill, I cant make it stop, the steering column goes out too, and i hit someone and kill them. I can be charged for involuntary man slaughter, for killing someone, even though I didnt mean to and had no control over the situation.
Him: Well, yeah. I think so
Me: And this isnt a bad thing?
Him: No.
Me: Okay, so are you telling me then that if life starts at conception, and a woman who has an abortion Must be charged for ending that life, then in the same vein a woman who has a miscarriage, with out meaning to, could also be charged, being that even though she didnt mean to her body ended that life?
Him: No
Me: Okay, why?
Him: Because miscarriages are God's will.
Me: So, God's will dictates the legal system now?

He skulked away after that.

Don't you know? It was the woman's own sin and slut-iness that caused the car to crash. If I remember correctly -from an argument that made me personally laugh my a** off- "Miscarriage is gods way of preventing the truly evil to be born" "Then why was Hitler born or Charles Manson? "....Humans need to be punished"

I too read that.

I think I almost threw up in disgust.. I mean Pro-Lifers are supposed to be the ones all about families and babies and stuff.. I wonder how many women who've had miscarriages would feel if someone a*****e told them that their miscarried fetus was going to grow into an evil person anyway?

I have a friend who's miscarried twice and is trying to concieve.. I thought of her pain and suffering and like I said, it made me just sick to think that people ACTUALLY believe that sort of tripe about miscarriages preventing unwanted evil, etc.

The logical explanation is that it happens naturally at times for reasons related to your health/body that are out of yours and anyone else's control-- it's unfortunate, but it happens.

I can't believe some Christians don't understand why people won't convert when they turn around and spew this kind of stuff.

I remember that from the ADT.
My discussion with the person who made that statement (paraphrased):
Me: So if miscarriages are God's way of getting rid of a truely evil person, why doesn't he just not let the woman conceive at that time? That saves her the hell of a miscarriage and is much safer.

Him: Well life begins at conception...

Me: Then why couldn't it have been decided in the woman's "fate" that she wouldn't get pregnant till God wanted her to be? Surely God would have thought of that, unless he cares so little for women that he'd make them suffer a miscarriage anyway.

I told him that my boyfriend's adoptive mom had 4 miscarriages prior to giving up and adopting. So I asked him if she just happened to have 4 evil people in her at those times and why God would punish such a devout follower of His (she really is), and he just said "maybe she wasn't meant to conceive". But...aren't miscarriages "supposed" to be God's way to get rid of evil people? And now it's God's way of preventing women from conceiving before they were meant to?

If God can control miscarriages, why can't he control conception?

This whole guys logic pisses me off. It seems to me that he's one of those guys who says "Because its written in God's book, so it must be done." Typical. Viewing the world in Black and white terms. It just pisses me off to see that people like dont have any respect for any religious belief but their own, meaning, everyone else should follow it and that creates conflict with the laws of their country. There really needs to be a separation of church and state. It just screws too many things around united, particualary the issue of abortion.