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 Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:48 pm
I have to admit I'm not particularly well-versed on the historical aspect of the Ledgend of King Arthur, though I've always loved the movies including: Roger & Hammerstein's Camelot, First Knight, and Disney's Sword & the Stone. I have also seen King Arthur and did not like that movies as well the others I listed previously.Wikipedia The central themes of the Arthurian cycle vary depending on which texts are examined. However, they include the establishment of Arthur as king through the sword in the stone episode, the advice of the wizard Merlin, the establishment of the fellowship of knights known as the Round Table and the associated code of chivalry, the defence of Britain against the Saxons, numerous magical adventures associated with particular knights, notably Kay, Gawain, Lancelot, Percival and Galahad, the enmity of Arthur's half-sister Morgan le Fay, the quest for the Holy Grail, the adultery of Lancelot and Arthur's Queen Guinevere, the final battle with Mordred, and the legend of Arthur's future return. The magical sword Excalibur, the castle Camelot and the Lady of the Lake also play pivotal roles. A notable stylistic aspect of medieval Arthurian literature is that it is invariably anachronistic. Modern reworkings, however, typically employ a medieval or Dark Ages context.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:59 pm
i am also drawn to it. its just one of those things that gets to u i guess. just the story of it all and how it is phrased and acted is just what i like. i am probably not making much sense right now, so i am goin to stop talkin.
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:55 am
Rebaillion mentioned Cadbury Castle in Somerset. This is the place that is most associated with Camelot. Have a look here: Legend of Camelot. However, some believe Camelford in Cornwall is the place of the legend, or Winchester in Hampshire.
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:40 pm
I noticed in the Wikipedia bit: "A notable stylistic aspect of medieval Arthurian literature is that it is invariably anachronistic."
That does seem to be the case. King Arthur is difficult to pin down to a distinct hitsrical time period. Like the quote said, it is usually set in a medieval setting, but in many ways also seems like it should have happened earlier. I think this is what the King Arthur movie Jenni didn't like was playing at with the inclusion of Celtic and Roman influences on the story. I can see it both ways - the movie may have lacked some of the charm and chivalry we are used to, but may be more historically relevant, if there is any truth to be had in the King Arthur legends. (This all coming from me, a layman of course).
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:38 pm
I actually did my high school senior research paper on the Arthurian legends. The sheer number of variations on the story is amazing, and most of it seems to be rooted in reality, at least distantly...though some parts are much further away than others. It's all very interesting to read about.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:49 pm
It is truly amazing how many variants there are of the stories.
In King Arthur I have no problem with the Celtic and Roman influences on the movie. Yes, I like the more romanticized versions of the King Arthur ledgends, but what I most disliked about that movie was that they had Guenivere running around in basically "bikini armor" and she didn't get mortally wounded with so many of her vitals exposed. rolleyes I also don't have the stomache for lots of violence and bloodshed.
My Senior yeat I did one of my english class essays on Uther Pendragon. He was much harder to find information on (in the library) than are the more "popular" characters.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:52 pm
Iahve read many books on King Arthur, fiction and lots of it. Most of them from some one elses veiw point, it is insightful becasue you do not have the same story over and over again, you have the basic story with many difrent parts and insights.
As for King Arthur, the one with Kira(sp?) Knightly I find insulting. My family is a branch of the Campbell Clan, they painted themselves blue, ran donw to pillage and rape villages. I can not visit certain Scottish towns because of that. The movie makes it out to be something heroic or what not. When it is actually a symbol of violence and terror.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:23 pm
Jenannen It is truly amazing how many variants there are of the stories.
In King Arthur I have no problem with the Celtic and Roman influences on the movie. Yes, I like the more romanticized versions of the King Arthur ledgends, but what I most disliked about that movie was that they had Guenivere running around in basically "bikini armor" and she didn't get mortally wounded with so many of her vitals exposed. rolleyes I also don't have the stomache for lots of violence and bloodshed.
My Senior yeat I did one of my english class essays on Uther Pendragon. He was much harder to find information on (in the library) than are the more "popular" characters.
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:36 am
If I had limitless wealth, part of it would go toward making a really GOOD, as accurate as possible Arthurian movie. *shakes head sadly* I've seen some that I enjoyed, but few I would consider "correct"...
As for Arthurian mythos books and the like, my faves are the poetic works of Charles Williams--they're really deep and very beautiful, and make all manner of connections to Celtic and early Saxon myth structures as well. I recommend them highly: Taliessin through Logres and The Region of the Summer Stars. They are positively gorgeous. Williams was a friend of the poet T. S. Eliot, and of Tolkien and C. S. Lewis; he was part of the Inklings group that met regularly to hang out, eat and drink, and share work.
If anyone's interested, I can provide you with a list of his novels--a few of which touch on Arthurian things, but not all--but I caution you: they are life-changing. smile
Great discussion, this, by the way....
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:06 pm
I love the tales and legends that pertain to King Arthur, the Knights of the Round Table, and Camelot. If you haven't read The Once and Future King or Le Morte D'Arthur I would highly recomend doing so, both are excellent books, Le Morte D'Arthur particularly contains a good deal of the tales, some up until reading the book I had not heard at all.
I'm also a fan of books that give a new perspective on some of the characters. For instance there's a book called I Am Mordred, it was the first I ever read that showed Mordred in a new light, he was sort of the victim of circumstance and the protagonist in a way.
Now as for movies: I've seen one movie Mists of Avalon which showed a new perspective on Morgan le Fay, which in this movie as well as some legends is the mother of Mordred instead of Morgause, and just how she and Arthur created Mordred. It's...interesting.
Now on to King Arthur with Clive Owen and Kiera Knightly. I can not begin to express how much I hated this movie. True the creators and actors said this movie was not meant to be entirely with the legends, but had the movie been the actual legend then we would not have had the love triangle of Arthur/Guinevere/Lancelot because Lancelot dies. Not to mention the Round Table in some legends was a marriage gift to Arthur from Guinevere's father King Leodegrance. There's so many other things wrong with this movie that I almost chose it for my comparison argument paper in English 2 at UNC-P, however I ended up choosing to compare The Queen of the Damned book and movie, but that's another discussion. wink
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:49 am
I saw this had been moved to the Museum, so I moved it back. The reason being is that the legend of King Arthur IS a legend. It's not actually been proven that he or the stories about him were true. Therefore, it belongs here in the Fantasy Conference.
Interesting post, Legadored! smile
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:44 am
I want to say that I've seen quite a few movies about this subject but, the ones I remember the most are:
Disney's: The Sword in the Stone &
Quest for Camelot.
My favorite being the latter one; mostly because its songs (Looking through your eyes & I Stand Alone). The story is also quite good...
I think I've seen at least two more but I can't remember their names.
I voted for Merlin btw... mrgreen
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:22 pm
Actually, we could have both a legendary Arthurian discussion here in Fantasy, and an historical discussion in the Museum--there is historical evidence to suggest the existence of Arturus, a Romano-British dux bellorum, war leader, in the late Roman period--upon whose deeds the legends were built.
Just a thought. smile
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:40 pm
Yeah, I guess we could but, they would have to be in separate threads, right?
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:09 pm
Prob'ly... we could discuss the legend here, and the historical Arthur over in the Museum.
Do you want to start the thread?
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