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Aiko_Kaida

PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:06 pm


Has anyone else been following the story of Christy Freeman?
This is the latest article.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/31/mother.charged.ap/index.html?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail

Apparently Christy went to the hospital where they determined that she had recently been pregnant, but she denied it. The hospital notified the authorities who searched her home where they found a deceased fetus. It was not a full term baby and at the time they had no reason to believe it had been intentionally killed. They continued the search of the home and found four more deceased fetuses.

Here's what really bothers me about this story. They are using words like "slaying" in the headlines, and referring to the fetus as the "murdered baby". The newest article says that they believe the fetus was stillborn and they still haven't proven that the the woman even did anything to cause the early delivery. Apparently she was charged with murder before they had even determined the cause of death for any of the fetuses.

Now I think it's really stupid and creepy that she kept the fetuses rather than going to the hospital and just admitting that she had a miscarriage, but I think it's ridicules that she is being charged with murder. At the very most I think she induced a miscarriage.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:37 pm


Jesus, thats horrible. She's obviously an individual that needs a great deal of help, and they're pegging her as a murderer. Thats... just sick. They care more about those bloody deceased fetuses than the mental wellbeing of this woman.
Edit: This article confuses me. Did she actually kill infants too? They keep using that word.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:37 pm


Whoa...this woman is nuts...
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:50 pm


The way the media has been handling that story has been pissing me off. I don't care how far along those fetuses were, they were not babies.

The Article
As they searched the home, investigators found three more pre-term infants


THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "PRE-TERM INFANT". It is a fetus. Get over it.

Quote:
The state medical examiner's preliminary report on the newborn boy determined it was in about the 26th week of pregnancy, and medical examiners "believe the child was stillborn," a release from police said.


If the medical examiners are saying it was a stillborn, how the ******** can they say that "Freeman caused the boy's death"? According to Medline Plus:

Quote:
A stillbirth is when a fetus that was expected to survive dies during birth or during the late stages of pregnancy.

Stillbirths may be due to injuries, illnesses (such as toxemia), infections, or catastrophic events (such as hemorrhage or cardiac arrest) in the mother or the fetus. Birth defects and growth abnormalities of the fetus also can occur. Problems with the uterus (such as placental detachment, poor placental function, or restricted uterine growth) can be dangerous to the fetus. See miscarriage.


Miscarriage
Causes, incidence, and risk factors

Most miscarriages occur when the unborn baby has deadly genetic problems. Usually, these problems are unrelated to the mother.

Other possible causes for miscarriage include:

* Infection
* Physical problems in the mother
* Hormonal factors
* Immune responses
* Serious systemic diseases of the mother (such as diabetes or thyroid disease)

It is estimated that up to 50% of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among known pregnancies, the rate of miscarriage is approximately 10% and usually occurs between the 7th and 12th weeks of pregnancy.

The risk for miscarriage is higher in women:

* Over age 35
* With certain diseases such as diabetes or thyroid problems
* With a history of three or more prior miscarriages


Is any of that intentional? No. ******** you, CNN.

Then there's this:

Quote:
Later, however, she told police she had delivered a deformed baby and had flushed the remains down the toilet. According to prosecutors, though, the baby was viable, with hands, feet and facial features.


OMG IT HAS HANDSES AND FEETSES AND A FAAACE!!!!11 Let's also note that deformed =/= without "hands, feet and facial features".

Sounds like genetic problems to me.

The story is very disturbing, IMO, for a number of reasons. For one, if she did not intend to kill the fetuses, why did she not go to the hospital to report that she had miscarried? And if she was purposefully killing them, why? For two, everyone involved in this, including the goddamn cops, is immediately assuming that she is a murderer. That's the only reason all those fetuses could be dead, dur! For three:

Quote:
Authorities offered few details to explain why they thought the pre-term infants belonged to Freeman or why they think she murdered at least one.


You're going to charge her with goddamn murder, and you're not going to offer any evidence for it?. What the hell?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:54 pm


If they were fetuses, it wasn't murder. If this woman had multiple fetuses in her home, she needs help, not a murder charge. I can't imagine what she could be going through, not only to deny the existence of the fetuses, but to keep them in her home.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:58 pm


MipsyKitten
If they were fetuses, it wasn't murder. If this woman had multiple fetuses in her home, she needs help, not a murder charge. I can't imagine what she could be going through, not only to deny the existence of the fetuses, but to keep them in her home.


I'm trying to figure that bit out myself... confused

The 'simplest' explanation is that she's had several stillborn pregnancies many times in a row, but why she would hold onto the fetuses instead of at least burying them is a mystery...

The next plausible explanation is that she works in the stuff (maybe she brings her work home for whatever reason), but a cursory check with a nearby college/business should sort that right up.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:39 pm


I completely agree with the media handling this poorly. However, I am not surprised that they would sensationalize something like this.

As for being charged with murder - that's retarded. Yes she should be arrested (evidence = bodies + reasonable suspicion of a crime = denial of having ever been pregnant)... but charged with murder before a cause of death? This is ridiculous.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:35 pm


Something's not right about this. It sounds like there's something mentally wrong with her. This is very strange...

I don't care about appeals to emotion anymore: don't use infant/baby when you are talking about a fetus because it's confusing. They called the dead fetus her newborn son, a stillborn, a fetus... I was so damn confused! WHAT IS IT?! Make up your minds!!!

If those articles aren't steeped in pro-life bias, than I don't know what pro-life bias IS. Nice journalism, asswipes. rolleyes

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:41 pm


If they hadn't found any fetuses in her home, would she still be charged with murder? I doubt it.

This lady needs help, seriously. And I don't think she murdered them anyways.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:08 pm


If you don't like it, write to these publications and give them the facts! I got two of my pro-choice letters published in a local progressive newspaper.

It sounds to me like this woman has some serious physical and mental health problems. She needs help, not punishment.

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Trite~Elegy

PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:20 pm


Let me take a stab at this.

The woman has 4 healthy living children?
The only complaint about them, was that the children were 'untidy'
and did not always wear coats in the winter.

Who cares if the kids are 'untidy'.
I grew up in a rough part of the city, seeing some little boy run down the
street with no pants on and with a dirty kool aid or Popsicle stained shirt never gained any serious looks.
It didn't mean that his mother didn't take care of him or love him.
What does being 'untidy' have to do with the amount of care a child receives?

The coats - What child do you know out there, likes putting a coat on?
I don't care if it's -10 out, I never liked putting on a coat in winter time.
Hell, I still don't.
A sweatshirt/hoodie and a long sleeved shirt is fine by me.

So here we are, 4 healthy children and a few dead fetuses.
And a bunch of bruises on Freeman's body.

The 4 healthy children alone should point out that she can't be that mentally ill.
I'm going to throw in some ideas about what could have happened.

- boyfriend abusive? Finds out she's pregnant and beats her till she miscarriages.
Nobody else seemed to realize she was pregnant, maybe he didn't either until later stages of the pregnancy.

- Lack of resources leading to self induced 'abortions'.
Maybe this is a family who is living on 'the edge' like millions of Americans
are. Another mouth to feed could put them in poverty.
Perhaps she is not able to pay $30 - 100+ for birth control every month and relies on less effective contraception, like condoms - that break/slip.
Or hopelessly useless method like 'pulling out'.

It's time to face something we've been neglecting.
Abortions are expensive.
Even if you don't have to travel half way around the earth to find a clinic,
you still have to shell out some $300 - $1000 for one abortion.

So she throws herself down some stairs, takes a few overly hot baths,
runs into things on purpose and 'viola' - a miscarriage.

- Actual genetic issue.
Has anyone done a karyotype on this poor woman?
Or checked that her and her husband are not like - cousins?

- Health complications.
Again, has anyone done anything to check the health of this woman?
If she tried to get help, she obviously knew there was something wrong with herself.
Maybe she has severe anemia - which could account for the bruises.

Oh and last but not least, the fetuses.
Anyone garnered that she might have been, you know, grieving over them? so she kept them close to her.

Or she did not know where else to put them.
Does anyone know where you put a late term fetus without arousing suspicion that you 'killed' it yourself? rolleyes
I'm sure there are hundreds if not thousands of cemetery's you can call up and be all "so I have this fetus I need to bury, is it ok if I swing by around 2 and ....."[/sarcasm]



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:01 pm


Oh, my aunt was telling me about this. We live in Maryland.

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Aiko_Kaida

PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:19 pm


Now I'm wondering, what do you do if you miscarry late enough during pregnancy that you actually have a dead fetus to deal with? Keeping it wrapped up under your bed or in the freezer obviously isn't a great choice. It seems like going to the hospital would arouse suspicion that you induced an abortion, but I bet an autopsy would probably clear that up.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:45 pm


Wow, that's disturbing. sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:11 am


Thank you, Trite-Elegy.

I don't feel the need to repeat your post but, it appalls me how this has been sensationalized and this suffering woman has been made out to be a murderer.
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