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Diadema

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:26 am


Recent health update: hormone-altering pills have been added to the carcinogen list. eek

I'm going to be very frank. Please beat me up if I am rude.

Personally, I believe contraception is wrong. And I think that it's bordering-on-ridiculous for people to take it for acne and stuff like that. Acne medications overload drugstore shelves, and a healthy diet and exercise program can regulate anyone's weight. I just don't see why people use it like that....

Birth control isn't a cure-all, though some are willing to dispose it as such to keep the pro-abort market afloat. Birth control supports this view of 'free sex' and results in more pregnancies than would've occurred normally.

Besides that, it messes with the body's normal hormone levels and the reproductive system. I wouldn't want to risk damage to my body just to clear up my acne...
PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:33 pm


Actually, I take birth control because otherwise my period will do incredibly nasty things....this started when I ended up in the ER because I was bleeding so much. I could deal with it, but that'd be 5 days of severe cramping, 2 days of going through way too many pairs of underwear and pants, and a whole lot of tylenol. I could get more graphic but that's graphic enough.

Any medicine you take alters the chemical balance in your body. Altering hormones to cure a medical problem is one thing. Healthy people don't bleed that badly, and acne may not be a huge health risk but it still is a concern (though bc is a bit extreme for that one). It isn't messing with normal bodily functions any more than tubes in the ear can fix an ear from what it is to what it should be. Altering hormones to cure nature is quite another. There is nothing unnatural about becoming pregnant after sex. Quite the opposite, if you repeatedly engage in sexual activity yet fail to become pregnant no matter how much you try, it indicates that you aren't as fertile as you're supposed to be.

Of course, how often does it take to use medicine as a last resort? Well...okay, I take that back. Most of the cases I hear of with pills being prescribed is by gynocologists to help with periods, and I hear a LOT of these, maybe it's because women are being more active in general with sports, careers, activities....think about how much female involvement in extracurriculars has risen in the past ten years. I dunno if that'd affect it, it's just an interesting thing and probably just coincidental. I'll go search for stats on that one, but I'm pretty sure that most of it is prescribed for (other than birth control of course) problems with menstruation.

Condoms do more in the way of free sex than pills, because condoms are much, much easier, and if you use it right, they can be more reliable...pills demand regularity. They also don't always react the right way in certain people. Pills and shots are costly, a pain in the butt (especially the shots xd ), and rely on scheduling...condoms can be used at any time. Also easier to obtain without parental involvement, for teens.

Planned parenthood has a lot to answer for. I'd rather my money go to other organizations that promote safe sex (though I'd much rather no promotion of sex, I know it'll go on, and safe sex is safer than unsafe sex. Or maybe it's just Darwinism ninja )

lymelady


AgentCimorene

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:59 pm


makiX
It is okay to use birth control as long as:
The intent is not to use it to not have children
2. You have absolutely No sex, even if you are married (this is because you might end up with a child and starve it to death. See what happens is a child is conceived and is then with a soul but with birthcontrol the womb is hostile to the new life, thus starving it to death)


That rarely happens to a fetus when using birthcontrol. And more frequently you just flush out the fetus when you have your period on birth control, but that is really really really extremely rare.

Birth control should stop having eggs being let through whatsoever. If an egg gets through, it isn't working, and the woman would get pregnant and it would... "stick".

( sweatdrop One of the only other guilds I'm in is the sex education guild. I have this one, a sex ed one, and an 18+ guild. What a crazy mix!)
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:06 am


Diadema
Recent health update: hormone-altering pills have been added to the carcinogen list. eek

I'm going to be very frank. Please beat me up if I am rude.

Personally, I believe contraception is wrong. And I think that it's bordering-on-ridiculous for people to take it for acne and stuff like that. Acne medications overload drugstore shelves, and a healthy diet and exercise program can regulate anyone's weight. I just don't see why people use it like that....

Birth control isn't a cure-all, though some are willing to dispose it as such to keep the pro-abort market afloat. Birth control supports this view of 'free sex' and results in more pregnancies than would've occurred normally.

Besides that, it messes with the body's normal hormone levels and the reproductive system. I wouldn't want to risk damage to my body just to clear up my acne...


Well, the only acne medicene I haven't tried is the kind that like costs 400 dollars a month. I don't think any of the other crap works, it takes up a bunch of money, and birth control on insurance is free.

Nothing made my metabolism slow down. I generally don't complain about my weight because chick friends of mine get angry and say I should be happy being thin. I went from barely being between 105-110 and now I'm about 135.

I'd rather have my friend Desi on birth control than have a baby who I know she wouldn't be able to take care of and have to be subjected to her horrible mother. I think we need birthcontrol for people who aren't ready to be (Or in Desi's case isn't mentally healthy enough to be abstinant) to be abstinant and condoms for those who would get and spread STDs. I know a ton of people that have gotten STDs already neutral

AgentCimorene


AgentCimorene

PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:12 am


Well I'm switching to the patch because there is no way I'd be able to survive college the old way of my flow. Changing to an over night pad every two to three hours and still staining my undies. I never got cramps, but ooooh it is just gross. Now it's just like... not as much of a pain every month.

I'm going to post in my other thread but I spoke with my boyfriend and he said he honored my wishes of re-becoming abstinant biggrin
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:22 am


AgentCimorene
Pandali
makiX
Oh yeah, about the pro-life issue. Yeah I am very strongly pro-life. I believe that according to the bible (the ten commandments) we as Catholics believe that we should not murder. Now humans get there souls at conception and are born innocent. Thus is in a mortal sin to kill a baby after conception. The church agree with me. According to the catholic church abortion is an excommunicatable sin and supporting it is as well. So yeah, you can't really be catholic and pro -death (commonly called pro-choice which is mis leading)

I'm pro-life as well, but there is a difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion. Many pro-choicers consider themselves against abortion and would never use it, but feel they shouldn't make decisions for others and give them the option.


I'm Pro-Life, but doesn't the Catholic Church say it's acceptable if the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother or the child? If it just endangered my life and I knew my baby would be born okay I'd still have it. I wouldn't care if I died as long as my baby was okay. I had a dream like that where I left my boyfriend with three babies and just watched over him raising them from heaven. He told me I'd better not do that to him. xd


i beleve that pro choice adn pro death are very different but since many ppl don't use pro death i clerify. the abortionists taht call tehmselve pro chioice are mis leading. ANd yes if yuo have to chose btw lifes you choses teh one more likly to servive. thats not abortion though.

I think there4 I am


Cyanna

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:46 am


lymelady
Most of the cases I hear of with pills being prescribed is by gynocologists to help with periods, and I hear a LOT of these, maybe it's because women are being more active in general with sports, careers, activities....think about how much female involvement in extracurriculars has risen in the past ten years. I dunno if that'd affect it, it's just an interesting thing and probably just coincidental. I'll go search for stats on that one, but I'm pretty sure that most of it is prescribed for (other than birth control of course) problems with menstruation.


That's pretty much the homonal issue I mentioned. I once went for 6 months with no period. I know it's normal to have a somewhat abnormal cycle (though I heard that after becoming pregnant, the cycle becomes more regular). But I usually go for 6 weeks without it...not six months. According to the Gyno, apparently I have a slightly higher level of testosterone then what is normal for most girls.

But surprisingly enough, I find that excercise really helps with keeping me more regular then throwing me out of whack. Once I went back to a six week-ish cycle, we decided that the pill was no longer neccessary.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:04 pm


Cyanna
lymelady
Most of the cases I hear of with pills being prescribed is by gynocologists to help with periods, and I hear a LOT of these, maybe it's because women are being more active in general with sports, careers, activities....think about how much female involvement in extracurriculars has risen in the past ten years. I dunno if that'd affect it, it's just an interesting thing and probably just coincidental. I'll go search for stats on that one, but I'm pretty sure that most of it is prescribed for (other than birth control of course) problems with menstruation.


That's pretty much the homonal issue I mentioned. I once went for 6 months with no period. I know it's normal to have a somewhat abnormal cycle (though I heard that after becoming pregnant, the cycle becomes more regular). But I usually go for 6 weeks without it...not six months. According to the Gyno, apparently I have a slightly higher level of testosterone then what is normal for most girls.

But surprisingly enough, I find that excercise really helps with keeping me more regular then throwing me out of whack. Once I went back to a six week-ish cycle, we decided that the pill was no longer neccessary.


Are you very athletic? Sometimes athletic girls that exersize a lot just don't get periods.

AgentCimorene


AgentCimorene

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:05 pm


Can anyone explain why the natural birth control method is allowed and condoms aren't?

I mean, natural birth control is blocking the man's seed from the egg. By choosing the least fertal time of month for the woman. This is allowed by the church. It is still trying to stop conception in a way. It's not fool proof, but niether are condoms.

Anyone? It's come up in the FAQ thread.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:57 pm


Firstly, I have a problem with the names of the sides. "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice" are too propagandized for my liking. I prefer "Pro-Abortion" and "Anti-Abortion."

I'm Anti-Abortion, but I have developed (or been given by Satan?) a rather confusing thought/perspective on it, which muddies things a bit: God knows everything. Even with our "free will", He knows what we're going to choose to do. Why would He give souls to children He knew would never have a chance to live? I can't see that He would.

While this doesn't excuse my behavior or choice in the matter, it does seem to excuse me from complaining or campaigning against the matter.

NewAgeLink


AgentCimorene

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:49 pm


NewAgeLink
Firstly, I have a problem with the names of the sides. "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice" are too propagandized for my liking. I prefer "Pro-Abortion" and "Anti-Abortion."

I'm Anti-Abortion, but I have developed (or been given by Satan?) a rather confusing thought/perspective on it, which muddies things a bit: God knows everything. Even with our "free will", He knows what we're going to choose to do. Why would He give souls to children He knew would never have a chance to live? I can't see that He would.

While this doesn't excuse my behavior or choice in the matter, it does seem to excuse me from complaining or campaigning against the matter.


But those children would still be able to go to Limbo and even possibly Heaven.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:18 am


NewAgeLink
Firstly, I have a problem with the names of the sides. "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice" are too propagandized for my liking. I prefer "Pro-Abortion" and "Anti-Abortion."

I'm Anti-Abortion, but I have developed (or been given by Satan?) a rather confusing thought/perspective on it, which muddies things a bit: God knows everything. Even with our "free will", He knows what we're going to choose to do. Why would He give souls to children He knew would never have a chance to live? I can't see that He would.

While this doesn't excuse my behavior or choice in the matter, it does seem to excuse me from complaining or campaigning against the matter.


Dying is an eventuality for us all. A fetus is alive, it's just at a different stage of life. Does He deny souls to a newborn who will die in a few months? Weeks? Days? He knew the holocaust was coming, and slavery. Did he deny souls to Jews, Christians, and Colored people?

A lot of people who are prochoice argue that a fetus does not have a soul. Personally, I think that's not true at all. Only God really knows. But a fetus can experience life in the womb just as much as an infant outside of it does. It can hear, feel, taste. It's got favorite sounds and a preference on which hand it uses. It can smile, it can scream, it can hiccup, it can cough. If it was in a PVS, I might question it, but it isn't. It's a living human being in the womb.

lymelady


NewAgeLink

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:45 am


lymelady quoted me when I
... Why would He give souls to children He knew would never have a chance to live? I can't see that He would.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:07 pm


Why yes, yes I did!
lymelady quoted me when I
... Why would He give souls to children He knew would never have a chance to live? I can't see that He would.


me
Dying is an eventuality for us all. A fetus is alive, it's just at a different stage of life. Does He deny souls to a newborn who will die in a few months? Weeks? Days? He knew the holocaust was coming, and slavery. Did he deny souls to Jews, Christians, and Colored people?

A lot of people who are prochoice argue that a fetus does not have a soul. Personally, I think that's not true at all. Only God really knows. But a fetus can experience life in the womb just as much as an infant outside of it does. It can hear, feel, taste. It's got favorite sounds and a preference on which hand it uses. It can smile, it can scream, it can hiccup, it can cough. If it was in a PVS, I might question it, but it isn't. It's a living human being in the womb.

lymelady


Cyanna

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:32 pm


AgentCimorene

Are you very athletic? Sometimes athletic girls that exersize a lot just don't get periods.


Nope. I sit on the computer all day and I'm horribly out of shape. When I mean "more excercise" I mean "try to walk a mile each day". XD

AgentCimorene

Can anyone explain why the natural birth control method is allowed and condoms aren't?


Because "natural birth control" aka "Natural Family Planning" is just that...natural. If you look at what it is...it's just abstinance. Since when is abstaining from sex a sin? Condoms, on the other hand, don't work that way.

Many natural things prevent a pregnancy. Defects in the sperm, a hostile environment in the v****a ("Friends" anyone?), sperm missing the egg completely, sex at the wrong time. The odds are against pregnancy as it is. Is it a sin every time having sex does not result in a child? Of course not.

In the long run, it is rediculous to have sex ONLY when the woman is most likely to become pregnant. There has to be a time when you can put a damper on the breeding but still maintain the relationship with your partner.

Also NFP still requires some of the same will-power you need to save yourself until marriage. Some nights, you can't have sex. Like I said...it's basically abstinance. Hopefully it helps to add something to your relationship...because hopefully your relationship is based on more than sex.
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