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 Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:54 pm
Pro-lifers who still go here, I hereby challenge you to show me the following information:
-The number of children currently in the adoption system
-The number of children adopted per year
-Demographic information on the adopted children(race, age, any special needs)
-Information on quality of life in the adoption system
Please give sources as well.
After giving me this, I would like you to tell me: is adoption a good option, or even a viable one?
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:53 am
I still don't see the "You have an option, it's just a few monthjs later!" argument. Is it okay to tell a rape victim she can't defend herself because her rapist has rights and "she can always report the rape when he's done?"
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:32 am
Toga! Toga! I still don't see the "You have an option, it's just a few monthjs later!" argument. Is it okay to tell a rape victim she can't defend herself because her rapist has rights and "she can always report the rape when he's done?" ...You make little to no case. It is insulting to rape victims to compare abortion, the killing of a child in order to not have to deal with it for the nine months, almost certainly a child you and your consensual partner put there to begin with, to the forceful, almost always violent, and frequently deadly, raping of a woman. To Lord Setar: I do not have the facts and I do not care to look them up. I don't have the time, to be honest, this is just a quick post. But I say that living eighteen years in the adoption system is better then not living at all, no matter the quality. I am by no means saying that I do not care about their quality of life, but that I put the continuation of their life before the quality of their life. I have heard from all sides that the adoption system needs fixing, and I accept that. But I do not believe that anyone should have the right to impose their beliefs about quality of life, and what lives are worth living, on others. By this same token, quality of life being more important than the actual living, we should nuke the poor parts of Africa, just so that they don't have to go through with what we consider low-quality life.
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:09 pm
I.Am Toga! Toga! I still don't see the "You have an option, it's just a few monthjs later!" argument. Is it okay to tell a rape victim she can't defend herself because her rapist has rights and "she can always report the rape when he's done?" ...You make little to no case. It is insulting to rape victims to compare abortion, the killing of a child in order to not have to deal with it for the nine months, almost certainly a child you and your consensual partner put there to begin with, to the forceful, almost always violent, and frequently deadly, raping of a woman. Has it not been said before not to use emotionally charged languge in debate? Not a child. It does not matter how much you THINK an embryo/foetus should be called a child, it is not. I know you said this is just a quick post but, do you have any evidence to back up your statement that rape is "frequently deadly." I doubt the actual act of rape is all that deadly. I'd also like to ask for evidence to show that rape is "almost always violent."
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:53 pm
I.Am ...You make little to no case. It is insulting to rape victims to compare abortion, the killing of a child in order to not have to deal with it for the nine months, almost certainly a child you and your consensual partner put there to begin with, to the forceful, almost always violent, and frequently deadly, raping of a woman. The reason why the two are similar is because in both cases one is using your body without your ongoing consent. Previous invitation, wheter it existed or not, has nothing to do with it. If I consented to sex with my partner and decided to stop halfway through, it's still rape if he keeps going. The fact that the rape case, an incident in which one woman is forced to give up her body for someone else, disgusts you should mean something.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:59 am
I.Am Toga! Toga! I still don't see the "You have an option, it's just a few monthjs later!" argument. Is it okay to tell a rape victim she can't defend herself because her rapist has rights and "she can always report the rape when he's done?" ...You make little to no case. It is insulting to rape victims to compare abortion, the killing of a child in order to not have to deal with it for the nine months, almost certainly a child you and your consensual partner put there to begin with, to the forceful, almost always violent, and frequently deadly, raping of a woman. To Lord Setar: I do not have the facts and I do not care to look them up. I don't have the time, to be honest, this is just a quick post. But I say that living eighteen years in the adoption system is better then not living at all, no matter the quality. I am by no means saying that I do not care about their quality of life, but that I put the continuation of their life before the quality of their life. I have heard from all sides that the adoption system needs fixing, and I accept that. But I do not believe that anyone should have the right to impose their beliefs about quality of life, and what lives are worth living, on others. By this same token, quality of life being more important than the actual living, we should nuke the poor parts of Africa, just so that they don't have to go through with what we consider low-quality life. Who are you to say that life is better than death? You have not experienced death therefore you can only relate to experiences with life, giving you bias.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:55 am
I.Am ...You make little to no case. It is insulting to rape victims to compare abortion, the killing of a child in order to not have to deal with it for the nine months, almost certainly a child you and your consensual partner put there to begin with, to the forceful, almost always violent, and frequently deadly, raping of a woman. I can only speak for myself, but I'm not insulting. I thought it was a wonderful comparison. I see no difference between killing a rapist who is using part of my body against my will and killing a fetus who is using the exactly same part of my body against my will. The difference is that I may be able to escape the rapist without killing him, whereas there is no way to escape the fetus without killing it. An unplanned, unwanted fetus wasn't "put" there by the couple that conceived it any more than a rapist was "put" there by the girl who thought that having a study session with that guy in her class was a good idea.
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:18 am
Lord Setar Pro-lifers who still go here, I hereby challenge you to show me the following information: -The number of children currently in the adoption system -The number of children adopted per year -Demographic information on the adopted children(race, age, any special needs) -Information on quality of life in the adoption system Please give sources as well. After giving me this, I would like you to tell me: is adoption a good option, or even a viable one? http://www.adoptioninstitute.org/FactOverview.html#head http://statistics.adoption.com/ http://www.helpstartshere.org/kids_and_family/adoption_and_foster_care/current_trends/adoption_and_fost here are somethings I found googling adoption facts and statistics. Not sure how reliable they are as I don't work for an adoption agency. From personal experience when my parents were foster parents, many of the child have sever issues but mostly due to to their birth families (many mothers were on drugs when pregnant and often the parents abused the child). But there is always that risk no matter where the child lives, but that doesn't mean all are abused or that they are better off dead. I think overall it can be a good option, not only are they given a chance at life, but they could also possibly find a good home or make a better life for themselves. I know many children that been adopted, many were unhealth or had some sort of problems and many weren't Caucasian, yet they seem to be doing well overall (these are people that I know personally or someone in my family or a friend knows). No ones life is perfect, but doesn't mean having a bad life is set in stone and things can't chance for some people. Lord Setar-And the same can be said for you. Who are you to say that death would be better? No one can say that as none us has been dead but we all have lived. Though we may have disagreements and don't see everything eye to eye. there is many things both sides can do to help (like giving people proper sex education, etc...as that would help prevent more pregnancies which will equal less abortions).
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