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 Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:32 am
Hey just making this hear so some threads dont get too badly off topic.
Here, you discuss your favorie characters and other people's favorite characters in constructive discussion so that we can all see how eachother sees the character. There might be disagreements, but every opinion is just as valued as any other and please respect that
Bashing characters IS allowed, as there are some pretty shitty characters.] (Lookin at you, Turogane) >.>
Melissa says no bashing characters not even the bad guys considering how well written they were written: Even Sesui has been written very well ^.^
pointing out character flaws are fine, but nothing to bad please be kind ^_^
But please be respectful to the people who like that character and please be prepared to have somene tell you that character's good qualities too
As I said, Bashing characters is totally fine here, but be respectful if somoene disagrees
Fair warning, you may hear some things about yoru favorite character that will be revelations to you, or you might not want to hear, but Togashi's characters are all very complex, so they are very fun to discuss
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:42 am
:In continuation reference to the anime vs Manga thread, talking about Kurama:
From what I have gathered, there are three aspects of Kurama. Suichi, the persona of being a human, who loves his mom and who all the humans think is human.
and then there is Youko, who is big and scary and wanted to leave his mom up until 6 years ago-ish, until his mom harmed herself saving him from falling plates, and he was likely cold and uncaring.
The result of his mom's sacrifice and unyeilding devotion to her son, created Kurama, the human hearted, demon souled creature who loves his mom and wants to stay human for her, and is so moved that he joins Hiei in several escapads all to protect his identity of Suichi.
BUT, it is still Youko, only a bit milder becuase he has been around humans for so long. But it is still Youko who is doing the calculations, not the one known as Kurama. Because Kurama and Youko are pretty much the same person.
That being said, Kurama can be really scary when he metes out punishment. When he gets pissed at you, when you threaten him, he choses just the right punishment to make you regret ever being born. He can do some scary things with those plants,
Elder Toguro, in the Sensui arc? He got defeated by being stuck in a plant that made you live you worst nightmare, until it drains your dry and kills you. However, Elder Toguro CANT die, because he regenerates, so Kurama basically set him up for eternity of hallucinations of torment.
Which is something Youko probably did.
Youko simplty means fox. His real name IS Kurama, with Youko being a title to make his name stand out when demons talked of him in fear of his powers.
Youko ruled with fear and the famosness of his theiving abilities, and his ruthlesnes, but Kurama as we know him has all those years of cunning backing him up, and he has a REASON to be vicious, becuase he has something to protect now, which makes him probbaly the most dangerous one on the team. Even Hiei stated that he teamed up with Kurama simply becuase he did not want to fight him. That Kurama's ruthlessness towards his opponents makes him shudder
Youko is not a mind whispering in the back of his head. Kurama IS Youko, and we should never forget it.
I think he could be really sweet if he wants to be or the situation calls for it, but he really is kinda scary
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:14 pm
to me there is two kuramas [now three]
one: Yoko Kurama [the first one who jumped into the womb of Shihori to escape this might need a bit explaining before people jump down my throught...see, my Yoko was a bandit who got caught at the wrong possible moment, and needed to get away, and escaped to the human world and into the next unfortunate human host. He thought he would be able to escape when the boy turned of age [15/16]
Then there is Shuichi Mimimano, the heart throb and the top of the class, all the boys want to be him, and all the girls wants to be with him...He has a mother who cares about him. Thus he doesn't really have any choice to ignore Yoko's voices...
Team Uramashi's Kurama: Fighting for the lives of the one he loves. While he is aware of his fox form, he doesn't like using it. i guess kurama and shuichi to me can be the same person since they don't have any differences
in the anime he wishes to brake free from yoko the spirit fox and wishes to not have to use him again at the end of his fight in the DWT [i hope i can make that clear right now that he does talk to him through out the show, and does not wish to use him until the last possible second...
point two: Yoko does say, when he is fighting Karasu, after he licks his paw, and looks at Karasu he says: "He was fortunate that I could come" [or drop by]
Point three: at one point in the same fight, Yoko states the boy's full human name....Shuichi Mimimano is just a host for Yoko.
if you wish to argue this with me please do so kindly ^^ I hope I have cleared things up from my point of view as far as cannons go for Kurama ^_^
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:32 pm
Hun, at no point do I want this to be an argument. I look at Kurama and see him differently. That doesnt mean you are wrong, or that I am wrong. It just means that we do not see the same character the same way.
Now I might say some things that might not hold true to what you think Kurama is, and you might do that same, but that does not mean we have to argue.
I am less emotionally attached to Kurama, so I might see him differently than someone who has a crush on him
Now, you do have some good points. Especially about Youko.
I do not believ though that everyone looks up to Kurama. Actually some might resent him, and I am assuming that not all the girls want to be with him. This might again be becuase I do not crush on him and do not think he is my world. I respect that you do think Kurama is amazing, but I bet some people hate his guts in his school, simply because he is who he is.
Again, you have some very valid points on Youko and his use.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:50 pm
why thank you ^^
and yea that's true o.o; I never really said Kurama was "perfect" far from it, he wouldn't even think he'd be perfect -^.^- [ok maybe I did say he was perfect] but he wouldn't think he himself as perfect if that makes any since ^^
and to each their own I suppose and thank you o.o; I guess ^^
this was more for the people who don't agree with me about the whole Yoko/shuichi thing [not that i'd ever pare them ew that's gross o.o;]
but as far as 'warshiping' goes, that might be a streech... I can ship him with a few characters ^^; and he does have his mood swings, I admit.... but He'll always be one of my favorite 'side' characters
i really wasn't trying to start a fight either...i just wanted to put some point across ^^
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:46 pm
Sorry I got the other thread off-topic. sweatdrop
I'd just like to take a moment and add my interpretation of Kurama.
Yoko, Kurama and Shuiichi are one and the same to me, just different sides of the same person. Like how people have multiple facets to their personalities, if that makes sense? At their core, I imagine them the same. The differences come out depending on which part of himself Kurama chooses to indulge in a given situation. If he needs to be more sadistic or cruel to get something done, he "reverts" back to Yoko, or in other words, gives into the urges he used to have all the time when he was still roaming Demon World. But for the most part he doesn't have to do that or doesn't want to, so he can stay more reserved and human-like as "Kurama".
I guess I could call how I see Kurama: "a more mature version of Yoko" essentially. Because back in the day, he was ruthless, a thief, notorious for trickery, all those things. And now, since he's found something to protect that isn't just his own self-interest (his mother, and later, his brother and his friends), he's... grown a conscious, for lack of a better way of putting it. I'm also assuming that meshing with a human soul might have something to do with that too.
This is a really dumb analogy, but I feel like when Kurama "reverts" to Yoko, it's like when an adult does something childish, while being aware and maybe slightly embarrassed of what they're doing, and just for the moment they don't care that they wouldn't normally act that way.
But yeah. That's my take on him.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:18 pm
I agree. He used to caus mayhem, as Youko, but then he took over the soul of what is to become Suichi, and got hit with a caring mom, and that makes him all the more dangerous, becuase while he does prefer to blend in, if you mess with the ones he wants to protect, he will pull out ALL the stops to make sure they stay safe.
And what is more dangerous than a 500 to 5,000 year old demon (depending on which kitsune lore you use, as Youko had at least 5 tails in his fox form) who was so dangerous that others freaked out at the name of him, using his old cunning and sadistic nature to PROTECT something?
And keep in mind, Suichi the human is ONLY 15. The sweet nature he shows is only 15 years old, and he was Youko a bare 15 to 16 years ago.
He is also probbaly pretty paranoid once he figures out that others have found out who he is, becuase if you are someone who is a demon who he doesnt recognize as "safe"? You are probbaly concidered a possible threat to his family.
Who wants to take bets that some of the lovely plants he has decorated his mom's house with are intelligent and keep an eye out for threats for him? Cause if that is possible, I would think he would do that
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 6:45 am
oh my I haven't though of yu yu hakashow since high school xD I loved it though.... between hiei and kuramam(mainly yoko) I became a lifetime fan-girl xD
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 11:50 pm
Kurama is... a very difficult case. It's one of the reasons why he's my favorite because of how complex he is. And it can be difficult to deduce the nature of the two. Personally I believe that the two are...separate in a way. Kind of like how Clark Kent and Superman are the same person and yet they are not the same person. One of the reasons I feel this way is because in the Dark Tournament just at the end of the fight with Ura Urashima. He said, "My time on the outside grows short. Don't ruin this Suiichi." to which Kurama replied, "Agreed." As seen here. See 8:10. Then later in the Chapter Black Saga when the group is on the way to Demon world, Kuwabara asked about Kurama to which he replied, "I have not become Youko Kurama I have merely taken on the appearance of my demon form while retaining my human personality." As mentioned here see at time 6:05. I believe that Kurama has become...complicated. He still retains some of his old self but his time in the human world has changed him. Like a persona that has grown separate of what he used to be. Like Kurama is somewhere between Youko (his demon old self) and Suiuchi (the facade of what he pretends to be). But this was what I've deduced from the English dub. I have yet to finish the manga and I have not seen the japanese version. I know there is some differences but I dunno how much. :/
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