MARYLIN MANSON ON TALKING DEAD

[LiBu]

I WATCHED THAT EPISODE. FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T TOTAL NERDS, TALKING DEAD IS A TALK SHOW THAT AIRS AFTER EVERY EPISODE OF THE WALKING DEAD, WHERE CHRIS HARDWICK AND GUESTS DISCUSS THE SHOW.
THEY HAD MARYLIN MANSON ON AND HE APPEARED TO BE ON DOWNERS OR SOMETHING. HE WAS KIND OF RAMBLY AND INCOHERENT, AND BY THE END OF THE SHOW, IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE USUALLY MILD MANNERED CHRIS HARDWICK ******** HATED HIM, AND NO ONE WANTED ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIM.

HERE'S' THE THING. I THINK HE'S JUST AWKWARD.
IF YOU LOOK AT A TRANSCRIPT, AND EXAMINE WHAT HE'S SAYING, HE MADE SENSE, HE WAS JUST BAD ABOUT GOING OFF ON TANGENTS. HE ALSO TRIED TO INCORPORATE A SORT OF MORBID, SARDONIC SENSE OF HUMOR, WHICH IS TOTALLY IN FITTING WITH THE SHOW, IT JUST... WAS SLIGHTLY OFF.

HE WAS TRYING TO EMULATE THE SHOW'S TYPICAL TONE OF LIGHT-HEARTED BANTER AND QUASI-SERIOUS SPECULATION, IT JUST WAS RECEIVED HORRIBLY.
LATE IN THE SHOW, HE STARTED SAYING THINGS LIKE (PARAPHRASING) "I THINK THIS SHOW IS SETTING A NEW STANDARD CINEMATICALLY" WHICH IS JUST FLAGRANT WALKING DEAD WORSHIP, BUT REALLY NO MORESO THAN WHAT'S TYPICAL FOR THE SHOW.
HE ALSO SAID "[SCENE WITH LOTS OF ZOMBIES] MADE WORLD WAR Z IT'S b***h" WHICH MAKE SENSE IF YOU HAVE CONTEXT.
WORLD WAR Z HAD HEAVILY HYPED SCENES OF TONS AND TONS OF ZOMBIES NOT ONLY FILLING THE STREETS, BUT PILING ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER TO CLIMB ONTO ROOFTOPS. IT'S A SPECTACLE YOU DON'T SEE OFTEN IN ZOMBIE FICTION, AND A GOOD ILLUSTRATION OF HOW OVERWHELMING A MONSTER LIKE THAT CAN BE.
THE SCENE FROM THE WALKING DEAD MANSON IS REFERENCING IS ANOTHER SCENE WITH TONS OF ZOMBIES CREATING A SPECTACULARLY DAUNTING OBSTACLE.
IT MAY BE A LITTLE OVER THE TOP TO SAY THE SCENE FROM THE WALKING DEAD OUT-DID WORLD WAR Z, SINCE THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF ZOMBIES WAS PROBABLY A FEW ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE LESS, AND THEY WEREN'T REALLY DOING ANYTHING AS NOVEL AS CLIMBING OVER EACH OTHER TO KILL PEOPLE TRYING TO HIDE ON ROOFTOPS, BUT CERTAINLY IT'S SUBJECTIVE, AND NORMALLY CHRIS HARDWICH WOULD GET ONBOARD WITH THAT SORT OF WALKING-DEAD-WORSHIP. BUT BECAUSE MANSON'S REFERENCE WAS JUST A LITTLE TOO OBSCURE, NO ONE GOT IT.
HE THEN WAS PUT ON THE SPOT AND WASN'T ABLE TO CLEARLY EXPLAIN WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, AND IT WAS JUST TAKEN AS ANOTHER DISTRACTING NON-SEQUITUR.

IT WAS JUST KIND OF SAD TO ME THOUGH, THAT I THINK MARYLIN MANSON IS ACTUALLY A FAN OF THE SHOW, AND MAYBE EVEN OF CHRIS HARDWICK. HIS EMULATION OF TALKING DEAD'S FORMAT, HIS REPEATED ATTEMPTS TO ESTABLISH HIMSELF IN THE CONVERSATION, AND HIS LOVING TREATMENT OF THE WALKING DEAD GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT HE REALLY WANTED TO FIT IN, BUT THE MORE HE TRIED, THE MORE UTTERLY HE FAILED.
IT'S A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATION TO BE PUT IN WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE FRIENDS, BUT EVERY WORD OUT OF YOUR MOUTH SEEMS TO BE AN IMPOSITION.

I THINK IT STUCK WITH ME BECAUSE WHEN I WAS A KID ALL THE GOTHS WOULD TALK ABOUT HOW HIS SONGS WERE ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES, OR HE TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE FEELING, OR WHATEVER, AND I WOULD THINK "I'M PRETTY GOTH, AND NONE OF THAT APPLIES TO ME AT ALL" I HONESTLY HATED HIM FOR HIS PRETENTIOUS, STEREOTYPICAL, PREDICTABLE SHOCK-CENTRIC PERSONA. BUT NOW, YEARS LATER, WHEN HE'S IN THE THE MUCH LESS DRAMATIC, MUCH SIMPLIFIED POSITION OF HAVING TROUBLE RELATING TO PEOPLE, EVEN PEOPLE WHO SHARE COMMON INTERESTS WITH HIM, I SORT OF SYMPATHIZED WITH HIM.

DISCUSS.
DID ANYONE ELSE SEE IT? CHRIS?
DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON AWKWARDNESS IN GENERAL? WORDY?
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? .... UNNAMED THIRD PARTY?
 

[Rear Admiral Awesome]

I haven't. And from what you've just described to me, I don't want to.

Sounds awkward as all hell. It also sounds like a schoolkid who bullies kids to look cool to his friends, but the role gets reversed when he's around people he would actually like to fraternize with. Yeah, I feel for the guy, but when you're known for being the sort of artist he is, I feel as though the message he attempts to spread would appear unfortunately tired and ridiculous.

It's like a child trying to impress mom and dad with snippets of conversations he's overheard adults have.  

[LiBu]

WELL, IT CERTAINLY WAS AWKWARD AS ALL THE HELLS.

YOU KNOW, I WONDER IF IT'S A BIT LIKE THAT; THE CHILD I MEAN. LIKE HE JUST PICKED UP THE PERSONA FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND NEVER ACTUALLY LEARNED TO EXPRESS HIS OWN IDENTITY .

THAT WOULD BE SAD.

MOSTLY I JUST HOPE THIS NEVER HAPPENS TO ME ON AIR.
 

[Rear Admiral Awesome]

Just picture everyone as Manson.

Not Charlie, though. I'd just get the giggles at that point.  

[LiBu]

Rear Admiral Awesome

Just picture everyone as Manson.

Not Charlie, though. I'd just get the giggles at that point.

OH NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HELP. ALL I CAN PICTURE IS THAT HORRIBLE PICTURE OF HIM ALL COLORLESS AND DEAD LOOKING AND REACHING FOR ME.  

[LiBu]

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Rear Admiral Awesome

Just picture everyone as Manson.

Not Charlie, though. I'd just get the giggles at that point.

OH NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HELP. ALL I CAN PICTURE IS THAT HORRIBLE PICTURE OF HIM ALL COLORLESS AND DEAD LOOKING AND REACHING FOR ME.

WAIT, HALF A MO, THAT'S NOT CREEPY AT ALL, NOW I THINK OF IT. NEVERMIND.  

[Wordstreamer~Nifty Fairy~]

I don't feel that I know enough about Marilyn Manson to comment on this, shu. Awkwardness, I could write a rambling and strange book about, yes, but this in particular... Ih.  

[LiBu]

I WOULD READ THAT BOOK. AND WINCE AS I DID.  

[I Am Emotron]

I'm really awkward too. I totally relate to that. I was trying to tell my friends that that's why I'm alone. They didn't understand.