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 Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 6:51 am
That is true, but what if you were 90% certain they were gonna shoot you anyways?
Here's the scenario. Some maniac comes up to you with the above beauty. They are just far enough away that you couldn't touch the end of the barrel with your arms outstretched. Now you pretty much know this nutjob is going to shoot you, they haven't yet as they are working themselves up to it with the usual bravado and bluster, but you know they are going to, lets say you slept with their wife/husband or fired them from their job or whatever. What do you do? Acting compliantly is just gonna make it easier for them to shoot you. If it goes off even if its not pointed at you its going to deafen, blind and disorientate you.
I'd say the only option is as RandomZero said, distract them (there's no way your going to outrun a shotgun blast) so you have to get out of the firing path, get in close and get the gun pointed at them. Would you attempt limb destruction? Or go straight for taking them out/down?
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:15 am
DarklingGlory That is true, but what if you were 90% certain they were gonna shoot you anyways? Here's the scenario. Some maniac comes up to you with the above beauty. They are just far enough away that you couldn't touch the end of the barrel with your arms outstretched. Now you pretty much know this nutjob is going to shoot you, they haven't yet as they are working themselves up to it with the usual bravado and bluster, but you know they are going to, lets say you slept with their wife/husband or fired them from their job or whatever. What do you do? Acting compliantly is just gonna make it easier for them to shoot you. If it goes off even if its not pointed at you its going to deafen, blind and disorientate you. I'd say the only option is as RandomZero said, distract them (there's no way your going to outrun a shotgun blast) so you have to get out of the firing path, get in close and get the gun pointed at them. Would you attempt limb destruction? Or go straight for taking them out/down? Well if I knew that the guy was going to shoot me i'd try and get him closer to me using pleading and begging. If the guys got a personel vendetta then i'm hoping he's going to be able to want to see me beg for mercy. Once he's in range the only sensible thing to do would be to knock the barrel away from me and then keep control of the arm while so it's not pointing near me while battering the guy with my free hand. If he drops the weapon then it's game on. However if the guy really wanted me dead he'd probably shoot on site so i'd be ******** anyway. I think the trick not to be caught out of a public place and stay switched on whe not in a public place as the guys will hopefully not wont to get caught. I f he doesn't care then i'd be ******** anyway. If it's a pro then they'd make damn sure that there are no witnesses so it'll probably be a early morning house visit where you'd be asleep and by the time you react to having your door kicked in (or lock picked etc) it would be too late. If you're luckly enough to have pre-warning of an attempt on your life then either go to the police or find him before he finds you.
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Delmar_Denban Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:24 am
If someone knows how to use a handgun, there is no way anyone can wrestle it away from them. I knew a kid who thought he was a pretty nifty martial artist. He told me to hold him up with a fake gun and he could get it away from me. So, naturally, I got into a ready pistol stance, with my albows bent, both hands holding the gun, and my legs bent slightly and ready to move in any direction. As soon as he reached for the gun, (as lightling quick as this little asian guy is) I simply took several steps back while pretending to squease three rounds into his skull.
Moral of the story, even bruce lee will get killed if anybody who knows anything about combat marksmanship holds him up.
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:57 am
I actually had that happen to me at Amsterdam too.
I got a gun pushed into my abdomen.
Asked for ten euro's. Gave him the damned money. >.>
We were right next to the stairs, so after leaving the train he came back up a few times to check if I wasn't calling anyone.
Damn, I swear, I was feeling pretty relieved I hadn't tried to call anyone, as he had so nicely warned me not to. Crazy man.
In the middle of freakin' Central Station.
Had he been on the verge of shooting me, I dont think I would have even attempted to fight him.
I would have tried to take the bullet with my arm or something and hoped to survive it like they do in the movies. Seriously.
Maybe if I wasn't cornered in the seats I would have tried to run, but seeing how that wasn't the case...
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:43 am
JoshuaKenzo I actually had that happen to me at Amsterdam too. I got a gun pushed into my abdomen. Asked for ten euro's. Gave him the damned money. >.> We were right next to the stairs, so after leaving the train he came back up a few times to check if I wasn't calling anyone. Damn, I swear, I was feeling pretty relieved I hadn't tried to call anyone, as he had so nicely warned me not to. Crazy man. In the middle of freakin' Central Station. Had he been on the verge of shooting me, I dont think I would have even attempted to fight him. I would have tried to take the bullet with my arm or something and hoped to survive it like they do in the movies. Seriously. Maybe if I wasn't cornered in the seats I would have tried to run, but seeing how that wasn't the case... What the ******** is it with amsterdam muggers and ten euros/guilders? A friend of mine got held up there at knifepoint and thats all they demanded, less likely to report it I guess
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:28 pm
DarklingGlory JoshuaKenzo I actually had that happen to me at Amsterdam too. I got a gun pushed into my abdomen. Asked for ten euro's. Gave him the damned money. >.> We were right next to the stairs, so after leaving the train he came back up a few times to check if I wasn't calling anyone. Damn, I swear, I was feeling pretty relieved I hadn't tried to call anyone, as he had so nicely warned me not to. Crazy man. In the middle of freakin' Central Station. Had he been on the verge of shooting me, I dont think I would have even attempted to fight him. I would have tried to take the bullet with my arm or something and hoped to survive it like they do in the movies. Seriously. Maybe if I wasn't cornered in the seats I would have tried to run, but seeing how that wasn't the case... What the ******** is it with amsterdam muggers and ten euros/guilders? A friend of mine got held up there at knifepoint and thats all they demanded, less likely to report it I guess I suppose if they didn't have to worry so much about being reported they could actually get more people and end up with more money.
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:53 am
Here's something I have been told, never done, never seen in action, and I have my doubts about it working (it's rare to encounter guns in Germany, anyway, most robbers either hide and hit you from behind or come up in a gang with bats and the such):
To actually dodge a gunshot, concentrate on the person and his finger on the trigger, not the gun itself (if you see the flash, it's too late anyway). You can see when he is about to fire, and that's the moment you should move.
Now while it may be true that you get a few milliseconds more out of this, I still have my doubts about it being applicable: It will only work if the attacker is in front of you (of course), and a medium distance away. If you are too close (which is likely to happen if he wants your wallet), you might be able to dodge the bullet, but will be deafened and blinded/burnt by the muzzle flash. If you are too far away, you probably won't notice the tiny movement of the finger when pulling the trigger (especially when it's dark).
So, I'd say a nice theory, but I doubt it will work in a real situation. Opinions?
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:34 am
Kasasaki Here's something I have been told, never done, never seen in action, and I have my doubts about it working (it's rare to encounter guns in Germany, anyway, most robbers either hide and hit you from behind or come up in a gang with bats and the such): To actually dodge a gunshot, concentrate on the person and his finger on the trigger, not the gun itself (if you see the flash, it's too late anyway). You can see when he is about to fire, and that's the moment you should move. Now while it may be true that you get a few milliseconds more out of this, I still have my doubts about it being applicable: It will only work if the attacker is in front of you (of course), and a medium distance away. If you are too close (which is likely to happen if he wants your wallet), you might be able to dodge the bullet, but will be deafened and blinded/burnt by the muzzle flash. If you are too far away, you probably won't notice the tiny movement of the finger when pulling the trigger (especially when it's dark). So, I'd say a nice theory, but I doubt it will work in a real situation. Opinions? Whether you'd see the movement depends on the skill of the shooter, type of gun, and on the lightness of the trigger. The correct way to fire gun is to squeeze with your entire hand, not pull with your trigger finger. Done properly its an incredibly subtle movement, the more subtle and relaxed the better from a accuracy point of view, the ideal being the gun almost fires itself. And then how far must the trigger travel before the gun fires? On an old uncocked revolver for example it has to go quite a way, takes quite a lot of effort and time so you might be able to see it. On other guns the lightest of touches will set it off. But then the effectivness of it, how far is medium range? Six foot? At that range most people could get a second shot even if you dodged the first, it only takes very little realignment. Like all these gun defences its very unlikely to work, but then if they are going to shoot you anyway, what do you have to lose?
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:55 pm
fighting is a decision you do or don't I will fight if threatened in a case like this if some one stuck a gun in my face I would try to take it if posible you need to make that decision I have decided to fight to the death in a case where some one is threatening my life.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:14 pm
My dad taught me the double wallet thing back when I was ten. Last summer a guy pulled a gun on me. It was about a half a foot away from my chest. At first I began to panic. Taking a deep breath, I reached for my fake one. I remember thinking to myself "If I get shot, I don't deserve to call myself a martial artist" and I felt like I would be disgracing my teacher who taught me to not be concerned with pain or death when fighting. With my left hand I reached into my left pocket, pulled out the wallet filled a little with paper to imitate wallet items, brought it up on his dead side close to the gun hand, he was holding his gun in his right hand. As he reached across with his left hand, I dropped the wallet, grabbed his right wrist as hard as I could, yanked his arm across to my right side underneath my right arm which was in a swimming motion over his arm, slammed the point of my right elbow across his eyes stepping through with my right leg to increase the power, my right leg now past his left leg I kicked it backwards against his left leg, taking him to the ground. With my right, upper shin pinning his head down i broke his right arm which I had kept under control. took the gun away from him and ran because I expected that he'd have friends around that would hear his screaming. I tossed the gun away in a dumpster and continued running home. Even with the aid of martial arts, I still feel fortunate.
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