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 Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:53 pm
Okay, so I know most of you may know this already, but according to Wikipedia Stephenie Meyer dismissed claims that her books are anti-feminist stating that Bella makes her own choices. In other words, Bella chooses to be with Edward therefore giving Edward the role of her constant rescuer. I could be wrong about that, but that's what I got out of this statement. If this is, in fact, what she meant then I don't neccessarily agree with that. Even if Bella chose not to be with Edward, Bella as a character is weak and submissive. I believe that had she not chose Edward she would either be raped and murdered early on in the first book, or rescued by one or more by her many suitors more than once. Again, I may completely off when it comes to what Meyer meant in her statement, and Wikipedia is not always 100% accurate. I guess what I'm asking is what do you guys think? In the universe of Meyer's Twilight, do you believe that had Bella chosen another guy other than Edward (Jacob or any of the many guys that have a crush on her at her school) that she would be any less weak?
Also, it doesn't seem to me that Edward gives her much of a choice in anything. What do you think could happen if Bella ever chose to stand up for herself? Edward also doesn't seem to be the only obsessive character. After almost being killed by Tyler's van, one of Bella's friends (only read the first book once, so I don't know many names) tell her that Tyler told everyone that he is taking her to the dance. This, of course, was without Bella's knowing. From this, some may assume that most of the guys (whether they be human, vampire, or werewolf) are probably the same in the universe of Twilight. If this is true, do you believe that Bella choosing another guy would have made any difference for her?
LOL And I'm using the word 'universe' because I realize that the way things happen in Twilight or any other books aren't neccessarily the way things happen in real society.
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:24 pm
Meyer's clearly is over looking or ignoring what people are stating if she claims it's not Anti-feminist. The problem that people have is not that Bella's chooses to be with Edward. It's the fact that she attempts to make their controlling and abusive relationship seem acceptable and romantic. Also the fact that Bella just throws her life away for Edward, gives up on college, a future, or her own dreams, and confides to the housewife role to appease to her precious Eddykins is what makes the story anti feminist in nature. You cannot condone abuse against women and still say that you're a feminist.
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:44 pm
twilight_is_for_idiots Meyer's clearly is over looking or ignoring what people are stating if she claims it's not Anti-feminist. The problem that people have is not that Bella's chooses to be with Edward. It's the fact that she attempts to make their controlling and abusive relationship seem acceptable and romantic. Also the fact that Bella just throws her life away for Edward, gives up on college, a future, or her own dreams, and confides to the housewife role to appease to her precious Eddykins is what makes the story anti feminist in nature. You cannot condone abuse against women and still say that you're a feminist. I agree with what you are saying, but let's say Bella chose someone other than Edward. It seems as though all the men in Twilight are pretty much the same (controlling and obsessive). With this in mind, would Twilight really have ended differently? I wish I could ask this question to Meyer herself. Personally, I think Bella would be better off if she stayed single, but a teen book in which the female protagonist stays independent and single is just unheard of. rolleyes
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:49 pm
Metheshrew twilight_is_for_idiots Meyer's clearly is over looking or ignoring what people are stating if she claims it's not Anti-feminist. The problem that people have is not that Bella's chooses to be with Edward. It's the fact that she attempts to make their controlling and abusive relationship seem acceptable and romantic. Also the fact that Bella just throws her life away for Edward, gives up on college, a future, or her own dreams, and confides to the housewife role to appease to her precious Eddykins is what makes the story anti feminist in nature. You cannot condone abuse against women and still say that you're a feminist. I agree with what you are saying, but let's say Bella chose someone other than Edward. It seems as though all the men in Twilight are pretty much the same (controlling and obsessive). With this in mind, would Twilight really have ended differently? I wish I could ask this question to Meyer herself. Personally, I think Bella would be better off if she stayed single, but a teen book in which the female protagonist stays independent and single is just unheard of. rolleyes Actually I think hay some of the human boys that liked Bella were genuinely friendly characters. The geeky one in particular, though from what I can recall all she does is b***h and complain about how unattractive he is. I think she would have had a different outcome if her choices were based more on how nice the boy was to her rather than how "hot" he looked. Then she probably wouldn't have gone for Edward.Or better yet she could have said: "Hey guess what I can LIVE without a boyfriend and be happy" and skipped merrily off in the sunset rather than whining for four books.
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:58 pm
twilight_is_for_idiots Metheshrew twilight_is_for_idiots Meyer's clearly is over looking or ignoring what people are stating if she claims it's not Anti-feminist. The problem that people have is not that Bella's chooses to be with Edward. It's the fact that she attempts to make their controlling and abusive relationship seem acceptable and romantic. Also the fact that Bella just throws her life away for Edward, gives up on college, a future, or her own dreams, and confides to the housewife role to appease to her precious Eddykins is what makes the story anti feminist in nature. You cannot condone abuse against women and still say that you're a feminist. I agree with what you are saying, but let's say Bella chose someone other than Edward. It seems as though all the men in Twilight are pretty much the same (controlling and obsessive). With this in mind, would Twilight really have ended differently? I wish I could ask this question to Meyer herself. Personally, I think Bella would be better off if she stayed single, but a teen book in which the female protagonist stays independent and single is just unheard of. rolleyes Actually I think hay some of the human boys that liked Bella were genuinely friendly characters. The geeky one in particular, though from what I can recall all she does is b***h and complain about how unattractive he is. I think she would have had a different outcome if her choices were based more on how nice the boy was to her rather than how "hot" he looked. Then she probably wouldn't have gone for Edward.Or better yet she could have said: "Hey guess what I can LIVE without a boyfriend and be happy" and skipped merrily off in the sunset rather than whining for four books. I think I know what boy you are talking about. She said something about how he had really bad acne. I remember thinking when I read that, "Really? You're complaining he has acne?! What teenage boy does not have acne?" What really pissed me off is that she says this after this guy goes out of his way to help her (I don't remember how). The problem with Bella deciding to be single is that tennies would not enjoy the book if the series didn't end without her having her 'true love.'
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:20 pm
Metheshrew twilight_is_for_idiots Metheshrew twilight_is_for_idiots Meyer's clearly is over looking or ignoring what people are stating if she claims it's not Anti-feminist. The problem that people have is not that Bella's chooses to be with Edward. It's the fact that she attempts to make their controlling and abusive relationship seem acceptable and romantic. Also the fact that Bella just throws her life away for Edward, gives up on college, a future, or her own dreams, and confides to the housewife role to appease to her precious Eddykins is what makes the story anti feminist in nature. You cannot condone abuse against women and still say that you're a feminist. I agree with what you are saying, but let's say Bella chose someone other than Edward. It seems as though all the men in Twilight are pretty much the same (controlling and obsessive). With this in mind, would Twilight really have ended differently? I wish I could ask this question to Meyer herself. Personally, I think Bella would be better off if she stayed single, but a teen book in which the female protagonist stays independent and single is just unheard of. rolleyes Actually I think hay some of the human boys that liked Bella were genuinely friendly characters. The geeky one in particular, though from what I can recall all she does is b***h and complain about how unattractive he is. I think she would have had a different outcome if her choices were based more on how nice the boy was to her rather than how "hot" he looked. Then she probably wouldn't have gone for Edward.Or better yet she could have said: "Hey guess what I can LIVE without a boyfriend and be happy" and skipped merrily off in the sunset rather than whining for four books. I think I know what boy you are talking about. She said something about how he had really bad acne. I remember thinking when I read that, "Really? You're complaining he has acne?! What teenage boy does not have acne?" What really pissed me off is that she says this after this guy goes out of his way to help her (I don't remember how). The problem with Bella deciding to be single is that tennies would not enjoy the book if the series didn't end without her having her 'true love.' the geek- was that Mike Newton? Sorry, been a while since I've read the series. But yes, if the boy isn't hot, Bella complains and whines and cries and throws toddler tantrums and whines some more. And complains some more. There are some points in the books- sorry, I can't remember which ones- where she says something along the lines of "I guess I'll end up with Mike Newton afterall", and I thought, "What's wrong with Mike? He'd not abusive like Sparkleboy is".
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:31 pm
Madam Chai Metheshrew twilight_is_for_idiots Metheshrew twilight_is_for_idiots Meyer's clearly is over looking or ignoring what people are stating if she claims it's not Anti-feminist. The problem that people have is not that Bella's chooses to be with Edward. It's the fact that she attempts to make their controlling and abusive relationship seem acceptable and romantic. Also the fact that Bella just throws her life away for Edward, gives up on college, a future, or her own dreams, and confides to the housewife role to appease to her precious Eddykins is what makes the story anti feminist in nature. You cannot condone abuse against women and still say that you're a feminist. I agree with what you are saying, but let's say Bella chose someone other than Edward. It seems as though all the men in Twilight are pretty much the same (controlling and obsessive). With this in mind, would Twilight really have ended differently? I wish I could ask this question to Meyer herself. Personally, I think Bella would be better off if she stayed single, but a teen book in which the female protagonist stays independent and single is just unheard of. rolleyes Actually I think hay some of the human boys that liked Bella were genuinely friendly characters. The geeky one in particular, though from what I can recall all she does is b***h and complain about how unattractive he is. I think she would have had a different outcome if her choices were based more on how nice the boy was to her rather than how "hot" he looked. Then she probably wouldn't have gone for Edward.Or better yet she could have said: "Hey guess what I can LIVE without a boyfriend and be happy" and skipped merrily off in the sunset rather than whining for four books. I think I know what boy you are talking about. She said something about how he had really bad acne. I remember thinking when I read that, "Really? You're complaining he has acne?! What teenage boy does not have acne?" What really pissed me off is that she says this after this guy goes out of his way to help her (I don't remember how). The problem with Bella deciding to be single is that tennies would not enjoy the book if the series didn't end without her having her 'true love.' the geek- was that Mike Newton? Sorry, been a while since I've read the series. But yes, if the boy isn't hot, Bella complains and whines and cries and throws toddler tantrums and whines some more. And complains some more. There are some points in the books- sorry, I can't remember which ones- where she says something along the lines of "I guess I'll end up with Mike Newton afterall", and I thought, "What's wrong with Mike? He'd not abusive like Sparkleboy is". I kind of have to wonder--since Twilight is obviously a book written for Meyer and about Meyer--her social life as a teenager. I mean, Bella is such a shallow b***h as a character. Is this the result of Meyer's desire to be wanted by every male, because she didn't ever get that kind of attention; or is it the result of once being very popular with the males but now having to settle with--as some people would describe--'what she can get.' Meyer, herself, has said something along the lines of that if Jacob or Edward came to her doorstep she would leave her husband for them in a heartbeat. This also makes me wonder why someone would stay with a person who prefers their own fictional character to them.
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:13 pm
Metheshrew Madam Chai Metheshrew twilight_is_for_idiots Metheshrew twilight_is_for_idiots Meyer's clearly is over looking or ignoring what people are stating if she claims it's not Anti-feminist. The problem that people have is not that Bella's chooses to be with Edward. It's the fact that she attempts to make their controlling and abusive relationship seem acceptable and romantic. Also the fact that Bella just throws her life away for Edward, gives up on college, a future, or her own dreams, and confides to the housewife role to appease to her precious Eddykins is what makes the story anti feminist in nature. You cannot condone abuse against women and still say that you're a feminist. I agree with what you are saying, but let's say Bella chose someone other than Edward. It seems as though all the men in Twilight are pretty much the same (controlling and obsessive). With this in mind, would Twilight really have ended differently? I wish I could ask this question to Meyer herself. Personally, I think Bella would be better off if she stayed single, but a teen book in which the female protagonist stays independent and single is just unheard of. rolleyes Actually I think hay some of the human boys that liked Bella were genuinely friendly characters. The geeky one in particular, though from what I can recall all she does is b***h and complain about how unattractive he is. I think she would have had a different outcome if her choices were based more on how nice the boy was to her rather than how "hot" he looked. Then she probably wouldn't have gone for Edward.Or better yet she could have said: "Hey guess what I can LIVE without a boyfriend and be happy" and skipped merrily off in the sunset rather than whining for four books. I think I know what boy you are talking about. She said something about how he had really bad acne. I remember thinking when I read that, "Really? You're complaining he has acne?! What teenage boy does not have acne?" What really pissed me off is that she says this after this guy goes out of his way to help her (I don't remember how). The problem with Bella deciding to be single is that tennies would not enjoy the book if the series didn't end without her having her 'true love.' the geek- was that Mike Newton? Sorry, been a while since I've read the series. But yes, if the boy isn't hot, Bella complains and whines and cries and throws toddler tantrums and whines some more. And complains some more. There are some points in the books- sorry, I can't remember which ones- where she says something along the lines of "I guess I'll end up with Mike Newton afterall", and I thought, "What's wrong with Mike? He'd not abusive like Sparkleboy is". I kind of have to wonder--since Twilight is obviously a book written for Meyer and about Meyer--her social life as a teenager. I mean, Bella is such a shallow b***h as a character. Is this the result of Meyer's desire to be wanted by every male, because she didn't ever get that kind of attention; or is it the result of once being very popular with the males but now having to settle with--as some people would describe--'what she can get.' Meyer, herself, has said something along the lines of that if Jacob or Edward came to her doorstep she would leave her husband for them in a heartbeat. This also makes me wonder why someone would stay with a person who prefers their own fictional character to them. From the way "Bella" aka Meyer treats all the "normal" boys in Twilight- the ones who aren't beautiful, sparkly fairies or turn into *****- I think the only dates Meyer got in highschool were ones where she paid some poor sap to go out w/ her. I think she would have liked to be so popular with the males that they hounded and drooled over her, as they do over Bella. Twilight is too "Meyer's fantasy/ wish fulfillment", if that makes sense. If Meyer had been a male herself, I'd say she wrote Twilight with one hand if you know what i mean. As for her husband- I almost feel bad for him, her saying that she'd leave him for poorly written characters, but then I think of all the money he gets from being her husband. As to why he's still with her; cash cow.
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:31 pm
Madam Chai Metheshrew Madam Chai Metheshrew twilight_is_for_idiots Actually I think hay some of the human boys that liked Bella were genuinely friendly characters. The geeky one in particular, though from what I can recall all she does is b***h and complain about how unattractive he is. I think she would have had a different outcome if her choices were based more on how nice the boy was to her rather than how "hot" he looked. Then she probably wouldn't have gone for Edward.Or better yet she could have said: "Hey guess what I can LIVE without a boyfriend and be happy" and skipped merrily off in the sunset rather than whining for four books. I think I know what boy you are talking about. She said something about how he had really bad acne. I remember thinking when I read that, "Really? You're complaining he has acne?! What teenage boy does not have acne?" What really pissed me off is that she says this after this guy goes out of his way to help her (I don't remember how). The problem with Bella deciding to be single is that tennies would not enjoy the book if the series didn't end without her having her 'true love.' the geek- was that Mike Newton? Sorry, been a while since I've read the series. But yes, if the boy isn't hot, Bella complains and whines and cries and throws toddler tantrums and whines some more. And complains some more. There are some points in the books- sorry, I can't remember which ones- where she says something along the lines of "I guess I'll end up with Mike Newton afterall", and I thought, "What's wrong with Mike? He'd not abusive like Sparkleboy is". I kind of have to wonder--since Twilight is obviously a book written for Meyer and about Meyer--her social life as a teenager. I mean, Bella is such a shallow b***h as a character. Is this the result of Meyer's desire to be wanted by every male, because she didn't ever get that kind of attention; or is it the result of once being very popular with the males but now having to settle with--as some people would describe--'what she can get.' Meyer, herself, has said something along the lines of that if Jacob or Edward came to her doorstep she would leave her husband for them in a heartbeat. This also makes me wonder why someone would stay with a person who prefers their own fictional character to them. From the way "Bella" aka Meyer treats all the "normal" boys in Twilight- the ones who aren't beautiful, sparkly fairies or turn into *****- I think the only dates Meyer got in highschool were ones where she paid some poor sap to go out w/ her. I think she would have liked to be so popular with the males that they hounded and drooled over her, as they do over Bella. Twilight is too "Meyer's fantasy/ wish fulfillment", if that makes sense. If Meyer had been a male herself, I'd say she wrote Twilight with one hand if you know what i mean. As for her husband- I almost feel bad for him, her saying that she'd leave him for poorly written characters, but then I think of all the money he gets from being her husband. As to why he's still with her; cash cow. You may be correct there. When reading Twilight, I couldn't help but think of a story I'd read on Quizilla or Fanfiction.net (not to dis the two website, but I'm referring to the typical poorly written stories). I hope Meyer signed a prenup. lol
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:41 am
Meyer saying her book isn't anti-feminism doesn't make it any less so. It's still setting the feminism movement back two hundred years. dramallama
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:24 pm
Westice Meyer saying her book isn't anti-feminism doesn't make it any less so. It's still setting the feminism movement back two hundred years. dramallama O also feel bad because my post was so short. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:53 am
Westice Meyer saying her book isn't anti-feminism doesn't make it any less so. It's still setting the feminism movement back two hundred years. dramallama Agreed. Meyer can say whatever she likes- but the proof is in the pudding, no matter what she tries to slap over it. Zookeepers can call a hippo a unicorn, but at the end of the day, the hippo is still a hippo, no matter what the zookeepers want you to believe. Its too easy to go into the Twilight books, analyze scenes, sentences, etc and take the proof right out of said books that it is anti-feminism. Meyer wrote her own noose with that one.
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