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 Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:47 pm
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:38 pm
sailorstar165 Recently, she's been talking a lot about movies, and that got me thinking... Are we really that under represented? Under represented so far as the characters don't just exist for the sake of a man, yes. Granted, there's nothing inherently wrong about the tropes that exist - the ones you mentioned - there's something wrong when they are the only representation out there. As in an over abundance. At least, that's my opinion.
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:48 am
I suppose so, but...
From what I've seen, women have a lot of negative tropes. Look at Women in Refrigerators versus Dead Men Defrosting. Sure, both get killed off or injured or whatever, but men go out with a bang "sacrificing themselves for the good of the world" or something and the women just get killed without a struggle to advance male plotline.
Men, meanwhile, have mostly positive or at least not-so-negative ones.
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:53 pm
That's...what I mean, and what I thought I said surprised
I don't think all trope are inherently bad. Some are, but not all. I think they become bad, and stereotypical, when they're overused. A lot of women get "negative roles" - but I don't know if you just mean furthering male ambitions along or more along the lines of villainous female characters, which, if male villains can be awesome so can female ones can't they? And it depends on the writer and director in a lot of cases, they're the ones who have the most control over how the character presents herself to their audience.
We live in a society where we value masculinity over femininity. And I fully think that's why we don't have as many awesome female characters as we do male characters. And I also think that's subjective in itself. I'm sure we could mention characters that we think are negative portrayals of women and then have a woman come in and totally disagree with us - and have good reasons why the character is a good character.
I'm not disagreeing with you on the dearth of female characters, just on the point that a love interest that needs rescuing or a woman who uses her sexuality to improve her agency are not inherently bad characters. In the right hands they can be pretty awesome characters. The only example I can think of right now (since I just watched it a couple days ago) is Fiona from Shrek. Sure she needed rescuing from that dragon but she certainly didn't act like a damsel in distress when she got out did she?
It sucks. That's why, though I'm not writing screenplays, when I write my stories I try and have female characters in them that have their own reasons for doing whatever they're doing. Maybe it won't change the world, but I can make the characters that I want to see and maybe other people will want to read about those characters as well.
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:25 pm
There are entire articles about directors and women in movies.
I'd have to dig it up, but a female director wrote an article about when she was actually told in college directing classes to NEVER WRITE ABOUT WOMEN IN A SCRIPT. When the female director asked why, there was no real reason. Other than one guy who offered that no one would go see a movie about women and women's problems.
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