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Nihilistic_Impact
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:21 am


Okay Rivven, let's look at this. NPC, non player character. You want an NPC to defeat a character which has trounced TWO PCs, player characters? That just doesn't work. For some reason I think bagging Morgan has made you a little more cocky.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:24 am


No, no, you missed it. I said if someone maims Fischig, and either leaves him for dead or else he manages to run away, not that I think it's even likely he would, then this guy, in my mind, would be an ideal way to finish him. If not, I have my own plans that ran along a similair line which I'd set up before Fischig had even been introduced, I'd just thought mixing him in would make it all more interesting. But, I suppose not, if that is your opinion.
And as long as your calling me cocky for considering having a powerful npc, consider that Fischig himself is an npc. I think having a really powerful npc enemy is better than godmoding your pc anyway, but I suppose you think somewhat differently.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:30 am


As far as I'm concern Fischig is a PC, given one that will die, and NPC is a character which is referenced to but no one really controles but one that everyone can have do little things, like we could say we hired out workers to fix the bar, or the soldiers Fischig brought with him. As for introducing other characters keep in mind that the guild is under attack so any new comers are most likely not going to be viewed too well. Which will be nice when Tacitus crashes into the ladies dorms.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:38 am


In my mind, a npc would have been any character not the players main roleplaying character, and I generally break it down there after into major and minor, minor being the nameless ones anyone might control, and major being important ones you build personality and plans for, and only you would control.
This wouldn't be a new guild member anyway, it'd be an oppurtunist, and another guy sent for Rivven and what ever else he can take of use while he's there.
Who or what is Tacitus?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:45 am


You'll have to talk with Reaper or Ultima about him, ow and Rivven if you want I can let you be the one to maim Fischig.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:55 am


About my npc? I didn't think I would, he'd hardly be staying longer or doing more than my other more prominent npc's so far, unless he is delt with as poorly as Fischig and Ava -really, everyone knows about them now, but chooses to not do anything about getting rid of them or taking defensive measures? Or at least, they're taking their sweet time about it if they are- but I could always talk it over with someone anyway, if that's necessary. And I might ask that, but not now. You seem to want to keep him alive until he can have a run in with Rivven and Morgan, so we'll see how it goes then, and depending, I might ask to do it either then or later.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:59 am


I was saying the character Rivven maiming Fischig, not your NPC which would probably thank him if I'm reading what you say correctly for making it easier for him to get about and do whatever it is they are doing.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:13 am


What I'm saying is, this particular one I'm bringing in might last longer as I think I might have him try to avoid Rivven and deal with the rest while the others set a trap up after him, but this particular guy would benefit both from letting Fischig have his fun, and from putting him out of his misery when he's no longer in fighting fit condition.
Yes, I was saying I might ask you later about Rivven doing it, so we're on the same page there.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:16 am


Ultima and I have been discussing what we could possibly do to Rivven and we have come to the idea that it may not be in your better interest to fight Fischig. Seeing how Rivven is a construct with a Daemon inside him even if he doesn't know it, Fischig will know it because bannishing Daemons is what he does.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:31 am


check and mate razz

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:20 am


Yes, but you see, then Rivven finds out he has a demon in him. So long as he doesn't die quite yet, I've no problem, I expected Fischig would inflict quite some pain on Rivven, but I'm sure Rivven might be able to do something about the pesky soldiers he carries around no one else has been able to touch. And I really do think it would be nice to have a shot, let Rivven go on the offensive, as opposed to where everyone else has ignored the fact that these men are in the wilderness up until they get ambushed, and then try to take them on alone and head on. Seems a long string of tactical errors made even by people who knew of the soldiers in the woods. But anyway, while Fischig might be able to sense the demon, he couldn't banish it I wouldn't think; it's inactive, and not in Rivven by choice, but bound there so as to stop it from getting loose again, and the most he could probably do is cut Rivven off from what tiny sliver of power he draws from it for a time (tiny in comparison to what power the demon has, it would definately be a blow to Rivven in his current state to lose that extra support).
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:28 am


*whaps* We see someone hasn't been paying attention, let's look at the number of soldiers remaining.
Okay, Reaper killed two, maimed another. Quin killed three, now we started off with twelve, so that means we are down to six plus one that probably wouldn't be that effective.
As for the bannishing an inactive daemon would be easier because it wouldn't put up a fight. Think of it as an exorcism where the victim doesn't put up a fight. Now seeing how your a construct and you say I can cut off the power your getting from the Daemon I fail to see how you could do anything after that because constructs are just hollow shells of materials with no will to move them, you'd be a statue in other words if your power was cut off.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:44 am


As to the soldiers, yes, I'm aware that several have been hurt, but thank you for clearing up how many. I'd thought you only had three of the twelve unable to function, though I do recall that Quin killed at least one so... I had been thinking I would need to ask about that, but it is my mistake for that part, yes.

See, here, you've been ignoring what I've been trying to tell you over and over. It isn't necissary to put a demon into the vessel, in this case a dead body, in order to animate it, just a soul. In this case, both Rivven's soul, and the demon's reside within the body, Rivven's soul linked to the demon and the body, the demon linked to Rivven's soul and the body, and the body linked to both souls. The fact is that with the demon gone, Rivven still lives, however much he can be said to do so now, but simply loses a sum of his power, speaking mostly in sense of his magical compacity and capabilities. And the demon wouldn't put up a fight as it's inactive, true, but consider that, the only thing it's sort of already been banished; only, instead of back to where it orignally came, it was put more or less in a prison caught between Rivven's soul and his body, it's own sort of dimension of holding where those two are the only doors out, and firmly shut, so all it can do is try to stick a finger out under the crack between door and floor at the bottom, figuratively speaking. It's caught, and can affect things with the entrapping enchantments and bonds active only through affecting Rivven.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:51 am


Then it is you who have been missleading others as your not a construct then. You are a simple human that has had a daemon possed you partially or as you said trapped withen you. You are not a construct. Here I'll help you a bit. Now we are using the word Construct in place of saying Golem. Now a Golem is an artificially created human being that is given life by supernatural means, such as trapping a daemon inside of it. You, your just borrowing from Naruto.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:03 am


No, this was actually my idea long before I saw Naruto, though I admit to the unseemly similarities. And as I've said it, though I made it up on my own and left it up for objections if anyone thought I should change it, a construct was a vessel animated by use of a soul, a human construct being the unliving body of a human reanimated, often through use of it's own soul, but not always. The fact is, either way, it's a soul being drawn and forced into a vessel, added with magical energy to bind them, but for reanimating a once active vessel, it's easier to use the soul orignally residing in it, as it already has some bond to the body, making it easier to draw back to and force into it, strengthening bond weakened severly by death rather than creating a new bond. Could Rivven's soul or the demons be put into a new vessel instead of his body? Certainly. But for now they reside within the body originally corresponding to his soul. If you do not believe he is to be considered a construct while his own soul provides some of the force which animates his body, then you certainly may think of him as whatever you like.
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