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 Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:22 pm
I HATE dice systems.
Additionally, i have never found armor to be a critical issue whenever magic is involved. As a clever spell will always render armor to be nothing more then a show piece.
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:24 pm
Ea The Wizard I HATE dice systems. Additionally, i have never found armor to be a critical issue whenever magic is involved. As a clever spell will always render armor to be nothing more then a show piece. Armor is for newbs
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:27 pm
i would call that an incorrect statement Yummy, as correctly used armor or shield is a fine replacement for a weapon. As it offers a quite balanced display of benefits as well as faults.
Edit: Though i can agree its something that can be easily used to simply make up for poor skill. I don't think it should be completely dismissed.
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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:12 pm
Ea The Wizard i would call that an incorrect statement Yummy, as correctly used armor or shield is a fine replacement for a weapon. As it offers a quite balanced display of benefits as well as faults. Edit: Though i can agree its something that can be easily used to simply make up for poor skill. I don't think it should be completely dismissed. The way I see it, Armor makes up for a huge lack of skill. What character would seriously be trained to take a hit with armor? No, there isn't a thing like that; overcoming one's instincts like that. And it slows a dude down. With any fight, you want speed. Tank type characters are fools, and are too slow normally to hit what they are trying to go after. It's just dumb, as far as I see it. Give any of my characters some simple chain mail, any day. ******** plate.
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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:51 pm
The problem with full body armor like plate is the rock paper scissor approach, sure that plate serves as a great tool against the sharp edge of a blade, but a blunt weapon is still going to be extremely brutal.
In addition, "trained to take a hit", its surprising how much the human body will become instinctual to the idea of blocking even when dodging would be the better of the two options. This is often seen in martial arts where the mind assumes they got to block and counter over the more logical thought of to avoid the blow completely. A man in armor taking a hit to gain an advantage is completely realistic as he is aware of how the blade will respond to his plate and knows he can play to that advantage. If the armor-less foe used a large blunt weapon or mace however the armor would not serve to the same benefit.
Once again, i am not dismissing the points that you are making, cause YES armor is often something used poor defense, the idea of taking a hit to land a killing blow is a classic manga/anime cliche so its to be expected. But just because newbs have shown a desire to take a route, it doesn't mean the concept behind their methods is completely flawed or to be undesirable.
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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:42 pm
Plate is heavy but not as heavy as people make it out to be, considering you generally wear a cloth vest underneath to help with weight dispersal across your core. At most a plate armor set made for melee fighting weighs 35 - 45 pounds (roughly 20kg). Spread that out across your body and it is not that bad.
Now when it comes to flexibility though....
Also plate armor does amazing against basic/large maces unless they get hit in the head. It gets damaged but it does a great job stopping the blow, especially because plate armor is supported by a network of cloth and sometimes chain underneath. If the plate armor is ribbed as well, it is even better. Plate armor was the wall to the basic mace wielding d**k with little skill, which is why you seen in the later ages before gunpowder a move to polearms, war hammers, long tapered blades and smaller spiked maces where you can focus a blow directly in a small area (unless wielded by someone of exceptional/crazy strength which at that point anything is going to hurt).
Also people take a hit to land a blow because there are many people who immediately go into butt hurt mode when they can't hit their opponent so they try the classic eye for an eye approach that was prevalent in basic RP a few years ago.
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:05 pm
People take a hit to land a blow because it is realistic.
You are most vulnerable when you are making contact with someone because generally you are extended to a degree.
It's why most martial arts play off accepting and redirecting an attack because;
1) you can't block/dodge everything no matter how good you may think you are
2) It's a prime opportunity to actually hit/grapple an elusive target.
It's why most grapples are trained with the opponent making contact with you first.
Plate armor or armor in general just took that idea and made it applicable to something that could potentially one-shot you.
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:49 pm
Plate armor slows you down by a negligible degree in comparison to what it gives you, which is essentially a carte blanche to ignore a lot of damage. Knights were able to somersault and vault onto their horses without issue.
There's a reason why they developed counters specifically to it; because a guy in plate was pretty damned hard to kill without specialized weaponry or a lot of force (i.e., striking from horseback).
But because so many characters on Gaia are more aligned with this sort of urban/modern fantasy than, say, Tolkienesque fantasy, we don't really see a lot of characters walking around in full plate. Then again, it's just like anything else, really; either you can do it well, or you can do it poorly. It's never "what" you do, it's "how" you do it.
You can see someone playing a character in plate and go "Wow, that's really neat." You can see someone playing a character just like yours and going "What the ******** are they even doing?" Trying to say that something as mundane as a certain kind of armor is "bad" is flawed reasoning because objects don't have agency. People do.
The most you can do is look at a character's entire set-up and question whether or not they're balanced for x or y situation.
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:04 am
I don't need armor to choke all of you unconscious.
Except Vizzle. Inb4 Vizzle commenting.
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:04 am
Still in talks of getting a third judge.
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:53 am
Ill judge!!!!! PICK ME OH ME. I'm HERE!!
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:36 pm
Think I got someone finally!
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:40 pm
I've got a ruptured appendix, so I've been stuck in the hospital for the last few days. I probably will be until sometime next week.
Anyways, I'm still here. Just trying not to die.
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:13 pm
YummyBiscuits I've got a ruptured appendix, so I've been stuck in the hospital for the last few days. I probably will be until sometime next week. Anyways, I'm still here. Just trying not to die. Ouch.
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:59 am
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