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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:48 am
From the looks of it, we probably won't need a third judge due to the similar votes on the fights.
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:14 am
She'd better show you her tits after this, huh Vin?
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:30 am
You're implying I never saw them.
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:30 am
I don't totally get how how some of this judging is done.
I get commented on several times by a judge that I play my character type really well, but somehow opponent gets higher RP score than me after receiving criticism for how they handle the situation.
Opponent does more damage than me, I score higher on damage.
Attacking obvious and easily exploitable weak points isn't tactical at all. Maybe I just assume that tactics should be the idea taken, not if it totally works as intended or not.
Comments would do better to explain actual thought processes to justify numbers rather than just be a summary of what happened.
Also, one judge made comment about us not mentioning the wetness of the field. The very first day of the round I asked in the help thread about the wetness and was told that it wasn't an issue on the actual floor.
Guess judges can't remember what they said a couple of days earlier.
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:33 pm
I had only two issues.
Zantara took two points from me for misunderstanding that " Light blade " means light weight. Two points, not one. And the little mixup with right hands versus left hands. That raised issues because he didnt see that, or I didn't mention it. So, for everyone here, Marx is left handed, sword held in his left hand.
But, I still won in both cases, so it's not that big a deal. I'm ******** psyched that on my first try, I'm getting into the semi's.
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:13 pm
Yeah, this is what I don't get really. I don't know, maybe he got the numbers mixed up in the process because that'd make sense since it better reflects what he wrote, but... Round 3 Fight Two Dear Princess Molestia vs KytanaTheThief Round 3 Fight Two Dear Princess Molestia vs KytanaTheThief Dear Princess Molestia
Roleplaying: 2/3
Tactics: 1/3
Conciseness: 2/2
Damage: 1/2
6/10
Bonus Points
Consistent Posting: 1/1
Point Deductions
OOC Bashing: -X/5
Violation of Profile: -X/5
Absence: -X/3
KOed: -X/3
Killed Opponent: -X/5
Total: 7/10
KytanaTheTheif
Roleplaying: 3/3
Tactics: 2/3
Conciseness: 2/2
Damage: 0/2
7/10
Bonus Points
Consistent Posting: 1/1
Point Deductions
OOC Bashing: -X/5
Violation of Profile: -X/5
Absence: -X/3
KOed: -X/3
Killed Opponent: -X/5
Total: 8/10
Comments: And this was his conclusion: Quote: Call: A good fight even if it was a bit odd in places. But when all is put together, I'm calling this fight for KytanaTheThief. She did more damage, fought better and lost her tail... you might have missed a few places where this fight could have been dealt with a bit eaiser, but hey what are friends for right?
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:29 pm
YummyBiscuits I had only two issues. Zantara took two points from me for misunderstanding that " Light blade " means light weight. Two points, not one. And the little mixup with right hands versus left hands. That raised issues because he didnt see that, or I didn't mention it. So, for everyone here, Marx is left handed, sword held in his left hand. But, I still won in both cases, so it's not that big a deal. I'm ******** psyched that on my first try, I'm getting into the semi's. It's an accomplishment considering you're the only non veteran to this scene still here right now. But, you came from a good roleplaying battle background over from the rp guild, so that helped you. I wished more of you had joined. Great rpers there.
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:34 pm
I've read the Molestia vs. Kytana fight and it honestly looked like a tie to me.
I mean I understand that a decision has to be made, since there obviously can't be a tie, but still it seemed too close to call.
Not trying to say Kyt doesn't deserve to win, because she did excellently. I just don't see her tactics being a point higher than Molestia's (or Molestia's being a point lower, however you want to look at it).
But I'm not a judge, so emotion_zzz .
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:50 pm
And that brings up the whole issue with the rubric I've been talking about for over two years now. But really, the main thing I've noticed in judging, and not just the GTB, is that the judging conflicting. It may not be in character for a character to fight or take the optimal attack, but playing your character stupidity is almost never reflected positively in any RP category. All it nets you is a lower score in whatever tactics/logic category there is because your only answer is, "Well, because that's what my character would do...That's what they know how to do." And I still don't have the slightest clue on how the RP category is graded. It's really frustrating to get nothing but praise for how I portray my character and to never get a 3. Seriously, what's the point of me even being somewhat consistent with how she reacts to situations instead of just masterfully doing everything, despite her not being a trained fighter. Quote: This fight is another one that I was looking forward to. A pair of characters who have a long history as somewhat lovers who have had a falling out sometime ago with betrayal by a Succubus? This is like Roleplay gold for me. If I don't see some hair pulling and a face to the knee, I am going to be highly disappointed. And we're off to the races!!! An interesting beginning to both fighters. Like I've said before D.M.P., you play a succubus as she should be played. Not an ounce of kindness nor a thing to be apologietic for. K.T.T., interesting angle of how your character is handling it. I really wish I would have looked for your previous roleplays together so that I could get a better understanding of the backstory. I'm actually going to have to find a way to remind myself to do just that in the near future. I think the only issue I'd have with what is in front of me concerning backstory and how Robyn is acting, she seems almost “too much in control” to be this angry and upset. Almost as if it's an act. The “I won' kill you right now, fer the sake of this tournament” quib towards D.P.M. seemed a touch out of character. Rosalyn hurt her in such a way that Robyn should see nothing but blood, wanting that succubus' head on the ground at her feet while the little fox girl laughs... perhaps a mental breakdown right there in the middle of the tournament would be appropriate. That is just my own opinion on it so take what you will from that. The Flute comment was a picture perfect slap to the face D.P.M. I loved it like you would not believe. It's very frustrating when I get comments like that, about how good of a job I did, and a score that doesn't reflect it. On top of that, I'm not told what is being looked for to get that perfect score. Though, I have a bunch it's not consistent to begin with. I mean, it's nice that the judge took his time to go through and nitpick the not-so-important stuff in each paragraph of each post, but it offers very little information in regards as to why he gave the numbers he did. In the future I think it'd be much better to organize your comments by judging category and explain your decision in points. It'd be much more helpful to say, "You did this very well, but here's exactly why you got a 1 instead of a 2."
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:27 pm
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:31 pm
Destructive Forces I've read the Molestia vs. Kytana fight and it honestly looked like a tie to me. I mean I understand that a decision has to be made, since there obviously can't be a tie, but still it seemed too close to call. Not trying to say Kyt doesn't deserve to win, because she did excellently. I just don't see her tactics being a point higher than Molestia's (or Molestia's being a point lower, however you want to look at it). But I'm not a judge, so emotion_zzz . Thats funny. This is how I felt about our round at HoH. But we're not on the same page when it comes to that, are we? #whenit'sconvenienttome @teamsuccess
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:22 pm
Unfortunately for your attempted jimmy rustling, Fox, I am not implying the ruling was unfair. My point is that close matches are difficult to grade via a points-based rubric, so when these matches are close it's important that the judges make clear WHY they gave those match-winning points to one person and not the other.
In the case of our match in Heaven or Hell, the judges were fairly clear on their reasoning and also listened to your side of the argument. An argument you began with the understanding that you had lost your match when in fact you won and were one of the higher scorers of the round. You lost because Sokoya beat Naota and because Crawley decided to AFK in base. But that's beside the point.
The point I'm making, which Molestia is also apparently making, is that the GTB judging is at best head-scratchingly vague on exact details that led to higher scores for one side rather than the other. I understand strains on the workforce due to a judge's absence, but there really aren't many fights to grade at this point so I'd hope judges could be more in-depth.
But again, I'm not a judge nor even a participant. My rambling carries little weight.
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:32 pm
You guys must be reading different stuff, because my explanations supply me with their reasoning.
Vin noted that Marx is one snide ********, which makes it difficult to tell the difference between the narrative and the actual character himself. My style of Roleplay involves making the narrative itself part of the character. Changes on vocabulary, syntax, and the flow differ between the characters based on their personalities. This makes it difficult for them to judge it in this context, and as a result, the points suffer.
I won't change my style just to suit points gaining, but hell, this is the second round that Zantara has given me a one for Roleplay, and the first that Vin has.
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:45 pm
You got a one from me, Yummy, mainly due to the quality of the roleplaying and the believability of the second part of the fight. Logic is another sub factor in roleplaying, as it goes with the whole "does this make the scene clear and understanding?" Getting a 3 is meant to be pretty difficult, so initially you had a 2. You guys didn't write anything too enthralling, but you kept to character, and that was enough.
A lot of people also never really mentioned much of the water on the ground other than the first or so post. After that, no descriptive actions or anything pertaining to its existence. I was also hoping someone plant their opponent's faces into the water toilet style. But alas, creativity isn't that easily captivated. sad
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:48 pm
Vintrict You got a one from me, Yummy, mainly due to the quality of the roleplaying and the believability of the second part of the fight. Logic is another sub factor in roleplaying, as it goes with the whole "does this make the scene clear and understanding?" Getting a 3 is meant to be pretty difficult, so initially you had a 2. You guys didn't write anything too enthralling, but you kept to character, and that was enough. A lot of people also never really mentioned much of the water on the ground other than the first or so post. After that, no descriptive actions or anything pertaining to its existence. I was also hoping someone plant their opponent's faces into the water toilet style. But alas, creativity isn't that easily captivated. sad That's funny, because if Sassin had not fallen, I was thinking of having Marx kick water onto her fur, and use the momentary cat- freakout to get in a blow or two.
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