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 Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:15 am
Jaydine I don't want to come across as a b***h... Well, you did. That was completely uncalled for. It's not like the fate of the world rests on this guild. Sure, it's fun, but its not that important. Certainly not important enough to try to rip to shreds someone who just found out/admitted that they have clinical depression. What good would apologizing do, anyway? Is he supposed to grovel at our feet because he realized that he wasn't up for the task of guild leader? So he was a little abrupt, but instead of just disappearing and leaving us to wonder what happened, he came back and explained. If it was just an act of immaturity, he would be long gone.
Remember, we all have personal lives, too, and sometimes things happen in them that affects our lives on the internet. It's unavoidable and can sometimes make a person come off as a jerk or immature, when they're just doing their best to get through real world hardships.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:41 pm
Frankly I agree with Jaydine.
I won't go into details on my opinion because well I will be a b***h, as usual.
If you want some advice the least you can do is be grateful for the fact various people bailed you out. Which you don't seem to be at all. Especially since you are ignoring two of the people who took the brunt of your crap.
I'm sorry you're having a s**t time, but to perfectly honest, I would rather clinical depression over what I got on my plate at the moment any day of the week. Yet you don't see me lashing out at people and if I did, at least I would apologise for it. At least have consideration for other people, even if your life is going downhill, there could be someone in a far worse posistion than you. There is no excuse for forgetting your manners.
X
P.s. I also like the fact that one of the people who you did thank for bailing you out hasn't even been online since the end of last month. Ouch that burned. Makes me wonder why I even bother sometimes.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:00 pm
Confused Insanity Jaydine I don't want to come across as a b***h... Well, you did. That was completely uncalled for. It's not like the fate of the world rests on this guild. Sure, it's fun, but its not that important. Certainly not important enough to try to rip to shreds someone who just found out/admitted that they have clinical depression. What good would apologizing do, anyway? Is he supposed to grovel at our feet because he realized that he wasn't up for the task of guild leader? So he was a little abrupt, but instead of just disappearing and leaving us to wonder what happened, he came back and explained. If it was just an act of immaturity, he would be long gone.
Remember, we all have personal lives, too, and sometimes things happen in them that affects our lives on the internet. It's unavoidable and can sometimes make a person come off as a jerk or immature, when they're just doing their best to get through real world hardships. Perhaps the activity of this guild and current roleplays I am a part of is more important to me then it is to you, but obviously I think it's important enough to mention it. Everyone has crap happen to them in life but it's how they respond in the midst of adversary that speaks volumes.I simply don't agree or appreciate how coldhands responded. You didn't read the pm's we sent back and forth, so you don't know all the details. Maybe that doesn't matter to you. All I know is that where I come from I appreciate people owning up to their mistakes and apologizing when is appropriate. No groveling requested just a humane apology and recognition of the assistance taken place when he bailed. I'm not upset that he couldn't handle the task of leadership and left.... I'm upset because of the way he handled it....which by the way I had pretty much forgiven, until he came back out of the blue suddenly taking charge again without even an apology to Misthral or I, and without thanks for us stepping in when he bailed. I also appreciate it when the people in charge of a roleplay stay active and actively communicate with the people under their command. I have been a host to many roleplays and know exactly what that leadership entails. Perhaps not everyone is leadership material and I don't claim to be perfect, but if I have crap going on in life I take the time to hop online and let other people who are waiting to hear from me know. And when those people I am responsible for ask me what's going on and how they can help, I don't flip out and throw the roleplay at them, while telling them i've lost all inspiration, am under emotional stress and just don't give a damn anymore. Perhaps I came and am coming across as a b***h. Well I don't really care. I'd rather have this all out in the open then b***h about it behind closed doors. What I said was what several people were thinking.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:15 pm
Jaydine XcoldhandsX Hey guys, I won't be taking up the title of guild captain again, as I don't think I'll ever be in a position to be able to dedicate the amount of time that a guild captain needs to put into his/her guild. I will however remain a Vice Captain and hopefully, with Joker's brilliant council idea (no sarcasm in that, I really do love it) hopefully the great amount of potential this guild has will grow into prosperity and the status for it that I had envisioned when I had started building it will be recognized under the better leadership of Joker and a council of Vice Captains. As I said earlier, I will remain a Vice Captain and do everything I can to help Joker and the other Vice Captains bring Scars of Oblivion to what I had always hoped it would become. That being said, I think I'll end my rambling by saying that if it wasn't for Joker, Insanity, Imperator, and all the other crew members who stuck through it all when the guild started, this guild would be a mere shadow of what it is now. Sorry about all the rambling. Lastly, I think all of you deserve an answer as to why I broke down and dropped the guild (thank you Joker for picking it up for me). What had happened was that I apparently have Clinical Depression and I didn't know about it until a few days after I really dropped the ball here. I'm on anti-depressants now and feeling much better, in case you were wondering. Just thought I owed all of you an explanation. OH and if you actually read through all of this, thank you. I know I talk too much. :] I don't want to come across as a b***h... but dude. You were irresponsible and literally threw the guild to misthral and I announcing us as the new owners without even asking if we wanted it. You never responded to my last pm. You come back here acting like nothing ever happend, like you never abandoned the guild, didn't act like an a**, and you somehow think you have the right to come back in here and criticize the work of the people you left in charge. The people who have kept the guild alive in your absence, who decided not to drop the ball and just dissapear like you did, who actually decided to give a damn and try to make the guild work and better it while you just jumped ship. (Even though of the three people doing so two of them just joined!) You pretend to be all noble in your departing words of "oh i'm handing the guild over to those who can run it better b/c I care too much about it" when really your act was simply one of immaturity. You even come in here and don't apologize, rather you justify your actions. The only thing you apologize for is your rambling. You come in here with this rah rah speech that your probably thought was great, but all I see is a guy who suddenly returns, has the audacity to criticize those who are trying to make the guild better, and doesn't even have the manhood to explain to everyone else what really happend or to apologize for his mistakes. I realize this may come across as harsh and perhaps even bitchy but it's something that needed to be said. Now that I got that off my chest I'm done. Do you have any clue what it's like to literally want to kill yourself at least once every day. To have a knife hidden in your room because you think that someday you'll have the guts to kill yourself? No? Then you have absolutely no idea what I've been going through. I created this guild, did a piss poor job leading it, and admitted that. HOWEVER I felt everyone here deserved an explanation and that it would be immature of me to not come back and try and fix what I had damaged. You act as though your some savior. You know absolutely nothing of this guilds history, how hard I worked to keep it alive when EVERYONE except for Confused and Imperator had gone. You have no idea how frustrating it was to finally see my guild come alive and then die simply because, at the moment when the plot most needed his/her character, a friend who's name I don't want to mention simply dropped from the guild for an entire year and then returned as if he/she had been gone for a day. Now, I could swear at you, I could kick misthral from the guild, I could make immature threats at you, leave the guild, add you to my ignore list, but I'm not going to do any of that because I have a job to do and this guild requires steady leadership which is something I believe a council lead by Joker is capable of and if I left it would only further diminish the chances of survival this guild has. So unless you and Misthral would like to leave, stop whining and complaining. You have a leadership position that demands a level of maturity and responsibility. After I had failed at being captain the last thing this guild needs is for the only other vice president who has yet to drop their responsibilities at one point to hold a grudge against her co-vicepresident and drop the maturity her position requires.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:17 pm
Misthral Frankly I agree with Jaydine. I won't go into details on my opinion because well I will be a b***h, as usual. If you want some advice the least you can do is be grateful for the fact various people bailed you out. Which you don't seem to be at all. Especially since you are ignoring two of the people who took the brunt of your crap. I'm sorry you're having a s**t time, but to perfectly honest, I would rather clinical depression over what I got on my plate at the moment any day of the week. Yet you don't see me lashing out at people and if I did, at least I would apologise for it. At least have consideration for other people, even if your life is going downhill, there could be someone in a far worse posistion than you. There is no excuse for forgetting your manners. X P.s. I also like the fact that one of the people who you did thank for bailing you out hasn't even been online since the end of last month. Ouch that burned. Makes me wonder why I even bother sometimes. I say that because Imperator stuck with this guild when EVERYONE except for myself and Confused abandoned it. They worked with me to keep it going when it seemed dead. I'm not about to throw everything he's done away simply because you weren't here to see him take care of the guild. Now if you're done acting like an immature child you can either get off your high horse or leave.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:20 pm
Jaydine Confused Insanity Jaydine I don't want to come across as a b***h... Well, you did. That was completely uncalled for. It's not like the fate of the world rests on this guild. Sure, it's fun, but its not that important. Certainly not important enough to try to rip to shreds someone who just found out/admitted that they have clinical depression. What good would apologizing do, anyway? Is he supposed to grovel at our feet because he realized that he wasn't up for the task of guild leader? So he was a little abrupt, but instead of just disappearing and leaving us to wonder what happened, he came back and explained. If it was just an act of immaturity, he would be long gone.
Remember, we all have personal lives, too, and sometimes things happen in them that affects our lives on the internet. It's unavoidable and can sometimes make a person come off as a jerk or immature, when they're just doing their best to get through real world hardships. Perhaps the activity of this guild and current roleplays I am a part of is more important to me then it is to you, but obviously I think it's important enough to mention it. Everyone has crap happen to them in life but it's how they respond in the midst of adversary that speaks volumes.I simply don't agree or appreciate how coldhands responded. You didn't read the pm's we sent back and forth, so you don't know all the details. Maybe that doesn't matter to you. All I know is that where I come from I appreciate people owning up to their mistakes and apologizing when is appropriate. No groveling requested just a humane apology and recognition of the assistance taken place when he bailed. I'm not upset that he couldn't handle the task of leadership and left.... I'm upset because of the way he handled it....which by the way I had pretty much forgiven, until he came back out of the blue suddenly taking charge again without even an apology to Misthral or I, and without thanks for us stepping in when he bailed. I also appreciate it when the people in charge of a roleplay stay active and actively communicate with the people under their command. I have been a host to many roleplays and know exactly what that leadership entails. Perhaps not everyone is leadership material and I don't claim to be perfect, but if I have crap going on in life I take the time to hop online and let other people who are waiting to hear from me know. And when those people I am responsible for ask me what's going on and how they can help, I don't flip out and throw the roleplay at them, while telling them i've lost all inspiration, am under emotional stress and just don't give a damn anymore. Perhaps I came and am coming across as a b***h. Well I don't really care. I'd rather have this all out in the open then b***h about it behind closed doors. What I said was what several people were thinking. Like I said earlier, I had the guts to admit I wasn't fit for Captain and I took Vice Captain because I owe it to this guild after the way I left. If don't give a damn, if you have too much going on to handle the guild, then leave.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:12 pm
Alright, I was trying to remain neutral to this because both Cold and Joker are long time RP buddies, and friends of mine. However, I've read enough of this bullshit. Cold, you are and always were a terrible guild leader. In fact Coldhands taking over a guild is like slowly feeding it a mixture of LSD and Cyanide. Sure, it starts to look cool, maybe even gets some new features, but as he grows bored, and games and other issues come into the picture he lets the guild die. I personally was crew/VC of at least two of his guild that I can remember. I worked on the infrastructure of both. One of them, a Star Wars guild, died about four months ago. If you go there you can still see the front page I designed, with a new banner, and a slightly different paragraph of text. I am also the one who wrote the rules in that guild, and I am the creator of the OOC topic. If you could go into the crew lounge, one could see that I was also getting crew into shape, making them do their jobs. My method actually got results, Cold's methods got people to PM me about him. I quit after it turned into me running his guild, and I can only assume it died without any form of DEDICATED leadership on his part. Frankly, and I don't like saying this. Joker is a better choice for leadership in this, and any other guild. He is more dedicated to leading, and he will generally do his best to get on and do work when needed. It is a reason why he is now a VC in my guild, and has been crew in another. Anyone who thinks that Cold can do a more efficient job is wrong. He may start off strong but he seems to have ADHD or something when it comes to leadership. As a supporting leader he is completely fine, as a primary leader he is the death of a guild. Personally I don't care either way, I am no longer in this guild, nor will I benefit from either individual being the leader. However, I can assure you that Joker can, and will, be the leader that this guild needs.
-DGwar, Captain of The Obsidian Brotherhood, Captain of Exiled Nation, and unofficial "guild helper" to many-a-guild.
Oh, and as for his "Clinical Depression" good for him. Cold, take your ******** meds and go see a therapist like the rest of us. I have several mood disorders and depression and you don't see me using any of that as an excuse when I come up short in the leadership department. I've personally carried you, and helped you in a few guilds. I've also worked with Joker in a guild or two. I have to say that Joker may, at times, be a bit unprofessional, but he remains dedicated, unlike you. You tend to just see a guild as something cool, until you get a new shiny toy, and then you go on to that.
For Cold's friends who have their heads so far up his a** they cannot see the light, pull them out. Stop making excuses for him. He can stay on as a VC and help the CAPTAIN with the guild, or he can get the ******** out and stop being a drama whore. I really hate when I have to come and tear a new a** into people, but I can and will do it when needed.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:32 pm
With that, I'm going to bed. I'll check back tomorrow to see what kind of rebuttal I'll be destroying.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:09 pm
Yes DG, I acknowledge that I'm a bad guild leader. I made this guild though and I refuse to just drop it.
I am completely fine with Joker being Captain, hell I support the idea.
What you said was completely uncalled for. You were a longtime friend of mine and suddenly decide to barge in like this and stab me in the back when I needed help from friends the most.
And yeah I have been taking meds and going to counseling but the meds don't take effect for 2 - 8 weeks, it hasn't even been one full week of taking meds yet. The counseling could take years.
I don't know why you insist on belittling me and that my friends abandon me. Misthral and Jaydine have been here half a month, I've never seen you active here EVER and yet you three stroll in and start insulting Confused and myself as if you own the place.
DG, I've tried not to get too angry with everyone else but goddammit I really really trusted you. You were a great friend and I thought you had my back.
My point was that I worked really hard on this guild. I felt so proud of it when I was finished, it was something that I thought had structure. Even when it was just Confused, Imperator, and myself it was a community and I felt so damn proud of it. And now you and everyone else are denouncing me because I had a moment of weakness in which my emotions got the better of me.
I refuse to mention anything about Joker because I still trust him as a friend and I'm not ever going to pick him apart the way you did to me because friends don't do that to eachother.
But then again I guess I'm not good enough to be your friend am I. Why the hell are you even here? Did you really plan on making this a better place or did you just plan on strutting around on your high horse and bragging about how arrogant you are and how much you seem to love yourself.
Get the hell out of here. Someone who's known me for so long and helped me so much should know better than to stab me in the back like that.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:13 pm
Okay, this is.... just retarded on a scale I have only seen in movies and American television like South Park.
I leave for 2 days, trusting and that people will be able to get along and not stick knives down each other's throats without me, only to find the remains of a cockfight in my backyard?
This is how it's going to be.
You are all going to listen, and do what I say. Then? You drop it, and we don't bring this topic back up again unless we can be civil about it and if we keep it to somewhere like the Crew Section.
Now....
Coldhands....
You're a good friend, and an even better organizer.
Without you, this guild wouldn't exist.
You built it from the ground up, starting with a formative idea, and I've been with you nearly every step of the way, from it's creation to it's inception to what it is now.
You said yourself you aren't fit to be Captain. That's why I am not offering you the position. Is it a negative thing? No. My Council idea can work given time and dedication.
But what you have shown here so far, berating others and calling their ideas stupid and mocking them for it, is conduct unbecoming a leader or person in Leadership position.
I know you have some... issues with the depression. I've dealt with it before, both on a personal level (I'm not going into it) and on a level of having watched people close to me destroy their lives over it (My ex is diagnosed clinically depressed, may the heartless skank burn in the tire fires of hell for all eternity.) But it is no excuse for coming here, acting all high and mighty, and inciting a flame war between the members. In other words, leave drama at the door.
You built this guild. It was your child, and you nurtured it. But you gave it up, felt you weren't fit to run it, and unfairly and unjustly thrust the obligation of leadership onto Jaydine and Misthral- two members that, while their skill in Roleplaying and orgainization is extraordinary, are still new. They have a lot on their plate at the moment, and neither wants to LEAD the guild (which is why a council is an idea that I BELIEVE both of them have agreed to in lieu of a formal Military Captain-Vice Captain-Crew-Member form) in light of these circumstances.
They (as do we all) have our personal lives outside of gaia, located in internetland. I myself am a struggling College student in Culinary school trying to find a job and make end's meet. Jaydine is has her own problems, as does Misthral (I won't go into detail unless they say I may) and everybody else here, but they make a conscious effort to be online and get things done.
We all have our s**t, our little ticks and twitches of drama we must cure before we can move on. Clinical depression is no joke (unless it's me you're talking about, in which case I'm gonna make jokes out the butt about it, seeing as how I have ASPD and MIGHT be diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome) but let's face it- it doesn't make you special, it doesn't give you an excuse to come in here and act like you are some sort of god.
Now, I think Jaydine and Misthral are owed a formal apology instead of the hardened, biting comments you made at them. I think that their efforts in reviving the guild have largely been what has helped ME do my job as Captain in getting the guild running again, and to come in here, not apologize to them for thrusting the undue duty upon them without asking them, and not even apologizing for it is an act that is not only selfish and cowardly, it is just plain unprofessional.
Confused, Imperator, Xena, I thank you for everything you have done thus far. When the guild was starting up, you all helped keep it alive and active, and your service is invaluable. I hope that you will all stay with us through this unpleasantness and into the future, too.
To the original members- I apologize.
Nothing I can say can excuse my absence for a year, my holding up our roleplay and being the one who caused the guild to die.
But I am trying to redeem myself. I am (with the help of my crew) bringing the guild back to life, and we will make it live and thrive. But I need your help to do so. Be active, help where you think you may be able to, and just.... support us.
Now, back to the drama.
Everyone, I'm gonna wrap this up.
Cold, this was your guild. But you decided to pass it off like a prom night dumpster baby. Jaydine and Misthral were forced to take it up, and I took the reins from them, knowing full well what the responsibility and dedication it required was.
I added you back as my VC so you may help me to help the guild run. If you keep acting like you are entitled to everything and keep insulting my crew and threatening to remove them without the say of another crew member or myself, I will have to remove you- an action which, I assure you from the bottom of my heart, I don't want to be forced to take.
I know your creation of this guild was a labor of love. But you gave it up and passed it along. It isn't YOUR guild anymore. Nor is it MY guild, or JAYDINE'S guild, or IMPERATOR'S guild. It's OUR guild. It belongs to the community of Oblivion Roleplayers/ the Scars of Oblivion as a whole.
I am asking you to be professional, suck it up, and apologize to Mishtral and Jaydine for dumping the guild on them and not even coming back to explain why you did and apologize then.
If not for them, this guild would be the proverbial dead horse, and I think you should give them the sincere apology they so rightly deserve.
Jaydine/Mishtral- I thank you, both of you. If I could, I would shake both your hands, ladies. You have helped bring the guild back to life, even when you don't have the time for it you FIND the time. THAT is leadership material, and although you don't want any major responsibilities, I can't tell you how invaluable your help has been thus far. I hope you will help me in making the guild live once more, and to help Scars prosper.
DGwar- Harsh. But.... In a way, true. But this isn't some massive "Let's all rag on Coldhands" session. This is about diplomacy. As a member, I expect you to show a certain level of respect to those in charge, no matter how unsuitable for the job you may think they are. Cold has his flaws as a leader, but he tries. And as you said- he is better suited to HELPING lead the guild rather than taking all the responsibilities upon himself. alone. It is my hope that Coldhands will stay on and help us and help me, without causing drama akin to that which has unfolded before us today.
@Confused- The RP was destroyed in the great fires of the Alexandrian Library, lost to the dust and sands of the desert winds.
So.... basically, we killed it off, closed it for the time being, and the characters....
Well, they're fine. In a chronological sense, it never happened, the Gold Road Mission.
We did for the sake of getting the guild on its feet and fixing a few things with the questing system, including quest NPCs, loot systems, etc.
However, I DO have a new mission up in the Quests subforum. You can always sign up there, and we will be getting that one underway soon.
OR- you can make a mission of your own, so long as it gets approved by the leadership.
On a parting note, I have only this to say before I retire for the day.
If I EVER see this kind of drama unfold again, I will not explain what I am doing, and I will have no mercy. We are JUST getting back on our feet, and we don't need these trivial matters to tear the guild asunder.
If you don't follow this one simple rule here, you WILL be punished, SEVERELY.
RULE: NO DRAMA.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:19 pm
*SITS IN A BIG A*** CHAIR AND GRABS A COKE!*
WTF IS GOING ON!!! I'm tierd of looking at long post :/ xD
Sorry, I've been roleplaying all day. Doing a INSANE-literate RP((10 paragraphs per post.)) and if you miss something within the ten paragraphs, they get pissed...
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:26 pm
Just one addition before I stop with this. Cold I said what I did, how I did, because I figured that it would get to the point faster and better than beating around the bush.
I've had to play diplomat for you far to often and frankly I am tired of it.
I think you needed someone to tell you how it is. Raw and to the point.
Hell, I've had my fair share of people telling me off.
I tried to stay out of this and remaibn neutral, but you forced my hand acting the way you did.
Joker, sorry I was out of line. I think it has somethinbg to do with this pent up rage I still have from that Axiom incident.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:28 pm
DGwar Joker, sorry I was out of line. I think it has somethinbg to do with this pent up rage I still have from that Axiom incident. In all honesty, editing Axiom's guild so that he looked like a class 5 ***** was something only a diabolic madman could dream up....... I'm proud of you. crying
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:29 pm
*sips on his coke*
And you got out of bed to post that DG? rofl This is pretty amazing, just from reading DG's post, I can tell everyone's pissed at everyone, how amazing!
*sips some more on his coke, then turns on the TV and watches it*
Pass the popcorn someone...
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:30 pm
Millenium Joker DGwar Joker, sorry I was out of line. I think it has somethinbg to do with this pent up rage I still have from that Axiom incident. In all honesty, editing Axiom's guild so that he looked like a class 5 ***** was something only a diabolic madman could dream up....... I'm proud of you. crying Yep, definitly need popcorn razz
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