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 Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:40 pm
Something can't be not dead but not alive.
It negates it's own existence.
... and this is coming from someone whose thought trends are as far away from logical as humanly possible.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:40 pm
Someone dies. Then the soul is put back into them.
That's called resurrection.
They're alive - just corrupted from the rituals.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:43 pm
They go down similiar to a human, their body is based on a human, so they'll go down like that. The higher up the rank they go, the better their armour however, also because of their culture of body manipulation high ranking members also have certain body parts removed, and are sustained by other means.
In the RP with Ryugi, then yes, dispelling the crystal would mean the troops would get no equivalence to food energy for 8-10 hours, but that's by no means lethal.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:45 pm
Ok then, in that case, from this point on Dead-men will be considered alive, but negative entities? Or does that cause conflicts again.
What are demons then? Demons are alive, eternal, and negative entities...
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:45 pm
[ Cognitive Genome ] Someone dies. Then the soul is put back into them. That's called resurrection. They're alive - just corrupted from the rituals. The same connection I made. HOWEVER, I'm in the understanding that the bodies used in the ritual are NOT the same that the souls once belonged to (since they have long since passed on). And I would safe to say that you just can't ressurect someone's soul into someone else's body; that's far too wacky hijinks. So, there should be something that BINDS the soul to the body, even if its normally permenant. And its the binding that Ryugi says the bullets are targetting. There may be more to it than that, but that's the biggest issue for Ryugi's debate that I can see.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:51 pm
*Says something prominent to the conversation.*
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:54 pm
ragingtofu *Says something prominent to the conversation.* *gestures excitedly with both hands at Rage* THANK YOU! Exactly the point I was trying to make! At least someone here gets it. rolleyes
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:54 pm
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:54 pm
Rain Yupa The same connection I made. HOWEVER, I'm in the understanding that the bodies used in the ritual are NOT the same that the souls once belonged to (since they have long since passed on). And I would safe to say that you just can't ressurect someone's soul into someone else's body; that's far too wacky hijinks. So, there should be something that BINDS the soul to the body, even if its normally permenant. And its the binding that Ryugi says the bullets are targetting. There may be more to it than that, but that's the biggest issue for Ryugi's debate that I can see. Ah, however, the bodies that they inhabit are not someone elses. They are grown bodies from flesh that used to belong to someone else. So essentially the bodies weren't possessed by someone previously. The part of the arm that was used to grow the body might have belonged to someone, but the new body is a new creation.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:03 pm
Slifer Ozura Ok then, in that case, from this point on Dead-men will be considered alive, but negative entities? Or does that cause conflicts again. No different than other types of bizarre life forms in fantasy. Such as elementals, which are alive but are sustained by their own elemental energy type rather than 'life energy' (in D&D terms, positive energy). A Dead-man would be alive but sustained by negative, rather than positive energy sources. Slifer What are demons then? Demons are alive, eternal, and negative entities... Depends on what type you're thinking of. According to the 3.5e D&D description demons aren't so much alive as they EXIST. When a demon is slain, it's not killed but just outright destroyed. They do not have a so-called "dual existence" of body AND soul, the soul IS the body, much like with our friend Kurosaki Ichigo. They don't go to some afterlife if they die, since the literal term of demon would be something that originates from some otherworldly (afterlife) plane of existence. So it really depends on what you're thinking of when you think 'demon'. If you're thinking of all those dipshits running around Gaia who say "I'm an _____ demon!!!", then... no. Those guys are just off-races or elemental subtypes or whatever else unless they adhere to some sort of actual demonology.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:03 pm
So, they're clones? Is that what this all comes down to?
Also: Jango Fett? Are the dead-men clones of him? If so, then I'm willing to take back any preconceived notions of lameness I've thus far adopted.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:06 pm
Some of them come from the same type of flesh, yes.
And I like the definition Josh had, living but sustained by negative energies.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:08 pm
so they're... homunculi? is that the word?
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:10 pm
Damian Felheart So, they're clones? Is that what this all comes down to? Also: Jango Fett? Are the dead-men clones of him? If so, then I'm willing to take back any preconceived notions of lameness I've thus far adopted. Boba.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:10 pm
I merely meant that by being grown from parts of another person, they're all clones of SOMEONE, even if they're not clones of each other. I don't necessarily see how they wind up with a corrupted soul from this, rather than a regular soul that a true clone would get, but at least it explains the body aspect of it.
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