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Tres Ecstuffuan

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:38 am


Vintrict
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Except the part where you're entering a fighting competition where you're judged based on how realistic you rp a character to the logics and balances of combat factors.


So wait.

You are going to punish Sigil for roleplaying the character you accepted the way that character was meant to be played?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:38 am


Sigil Warden
Ignoring cloth, metal and bone, the energy feasted on flesh alone, and oh! what a banquet it had in store! Bypassing the lower ribs, it would gorge itself upon the prominent lungs, and, mauled by decay, they would collapse; the liver, the stomach, the diaphragm, their tissue necrotizing in acute, searing pain, damaged and inoperable.


OK, so this is not in the info text quote at the bottom of your post, but this is what your wrote the first time you used it.

So... I dunno how metal = cloth and NOT armor, but there you go. Maybe you just got carried away with the metaphor? Because if that's the case you can learn a lesson now about being a little clearer in your description of a technique when that description can clash with its intended parameters.

Also LOOK at what it's supposed to do by your own words there.

How much "effort" (Not runic cost or whatever, which isn't even high for this technique) did it take her to use this for the effect it can have?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:40 am


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Ignoring cloth, metal and bone, the energy feasted on flesh alone, and oh! what a banquet it had in store! Bypassing the lower ribs, it would gorge itself upon the prominent lungs, and, mauled by decay, they would collapse; the liver, the stomach, the diaphragm, their tissue necrotizing in acute, searing pain, damaged and inoperable.


OK, so this is not in the info text quote at the bottom of your post, but this is what your wrote the first time you used it.

So... I dunno how metal = cloth and NOT armor, but there you go. Maybe you just got carried away with the metaphor? Because if that's the case you can learn a lesson now about being a little clearer in your description of a technique when that description can clash with its intended parameters.

Also LOOK at what it's supposed to do by your own words there.

How much "effort" (Not runic cost or whatever, which isn't even high for this technique) did it take her to use this for the effect it can have?


What I meant by that is that it doesn't bother to expend it's energy on metal, it will boil past it. If there's a sheet of metal in the way though, it just splats and dissappears. Furthermore, that description details the things that it is targeting, it could hit any or many of them. That is left up to the other person to decide for themselves. I give the full scope of what could happen, not exactly what I wish to happen only.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:41 am


From a full two handed swing sure your right.

A major factor here is she two weapon fighting with what i assume are war axes, trying to exert her full strength on each weapon while fighting with both is liable to be impossible.

Mind you I havent tried it, But the flow of fighting with an axe wouldnt lend well to the standard flow of two weapon fighting.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:43 am


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From a full two handed swing sure your right.

A major factor here is she two weapon fighting with what i assume are war axes, trying to exert her full strength on each weapon while fighting with both is liable to be impossible.

Mind you I havent tried it, But the flow of fighting with an axe wouldnt lend well to the standard flow of two weapon fighting.


You'd be surprised. Axe fighting flows pretty damn well. It's weakness is that is generally has to be symmetrical, so it's a bit predictable.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:44 am


Vintrict
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There is a line between following the profile accepted and just following general combat sense. If someone burns energy at the start, they should feel it pretty fast after the brief moment of going beserk. If they remain conservative with their energy, they won't get tired so quickly, though this comes at a cost of not being very aggressive.


So your definition of a 'general' combat sense is...

Go really hard in the beginning, get tired quickly.
If they start off slow and steady, they will be able to endure longer

Then why did you let in a mechanic which is the exact opposite to that?

Nevermind that speaking in strictly hand to hand terms, that is really going to depend on the cardio levels of both fighters in comparison to one another.

Factoring in special abilities, this means that all mechanics have to work towards that same general combat sense. Sigil Wardens obviously does not.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:44 am


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But Vin, activating runes does not require physical effort. You can't say that Aetyra should be feeling fatigue from that. It doesn't make sense. There is nothing to be fatigued by. The runes are supplying the power (and souls supplying the runes), not her.

It's still using some kind of energy, especially since your character is willing them to work. We can even call it physical stamina if we have to, your character is still spending something to make it work. If she was fatigued and tired on the ground, I shouldn't see her conjuring a perfect ability while she sitting there panting because it wouldn't make sense for her to still have the stamina to do it. I did talk to you about her status as an undead and how even though she has all these benefits for being so, she still has to fall under standard tournament protocols: still can be incapitated, affected by damage, and fatigue.

Ic you can play that off in whatever flavor you want, but ooc, you have to have some way of being able to tire. It's why we nerfed one prospective participant who was basically a machine before she left saying that her robot character doesn't stop working until she reaches zero energy, so she's at full capacity until then. So I had to give her the metaphor of how machines running low on batteries start slowing down and losing their steam as lights fade on and off, much similar to how a human would feel when they are pretty tired.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:44 am


Vintrict

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Except for the part where you're supposed to tell people what you want out of their system in profile grading, and you didn't, and now you're claiming that you're going to judge someone on the basis of whether or not they did something they were never informed to do.

Sorry, that's your fault. Not Sigil's. Maybe next time instead of assuming someone has read your mind, you should actually use profile grading to grade their profile. You know, that idea where you expect them to get fatigued from using their abilities? You could tell them that, instead of letting them in with a system that has no fatigue element, and then arbitrarily expect them to have one when you never told them to.

This is basically what you're saying: "You should know to have something in your profile without being told to, even though I never indicated that you should, and in fact let you into the tournament without it, but now I'm going to tell you that you should take said thing into account despite never being told that you had to."

Yeah, uh, no. That doesn't make any sense. Not here, not on Pluto, not even in Bizarro World with that a**-ugly Superman lookalike that can't figure out personal pronouns.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:44 am


Also doesnt her magic come from the self renewing source of her own animation?

I would assume this given that A) Undead with the exception of liches and vampires arnt known for their magical spark anywhere but in wow.

B)Given no other life force from which magic can be drawn, her magic would draw from the energy source sustaining her animated form.

C) In a tournament like this, magic cant be purely external, if it is you must reach and pay for it with your own energy.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:46 am


Legion_of_Nazareth
From a full two handed swing sure your right.

A major factor here is she two weapon fighting with what i assume are war axes, trying to exert her full strength on each weapon while fighting with both is liable to be impossible.

Mind you I havent tried it, But the flow of fighting with an axe wouldnt lend well to the standard flow of two weapon fighting.


Thats...

Actually a very astute observation. I did not consider the reduction in momentum factored in by the fact that each axe was being held in each hand. You know, I wonder if that would also mean because the weight of an axe is focused in its head, would it therefore be harder to start into a heavy motion with just a single hand.

Though I still think with the momentum of an axe would be sizable even if only in one hand.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:49 am


Her magic comes from the axes, it is entirely removed from the magic that animates her, which is in fact her fatigue meter. As she takes damage, her 'life force' is depleted and she becomes less effective overall. Hence why she has to take a breather a few times in my fight even though she's not seriously injured or even need to breathe.

But since we're coming out of the closet in full, I'll post you the entirety of her resistances, as accepted.

Quote:
Undead Resilience: Aetyra is immune to mundane disease and highly resistant to poison. She does not age, nor does she need sustenance (though she may partake of it if desired). Though capable of feeling pain and suffering physical wounds, her body continues to function even after the muscles and organs controlling it are damaged, as the magic that animates her is seated in her skeleton itself. This also makes her resistant to general fatigue, tiring her at half the rate of an average human fighter.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:50 am


There's nothing that says a magic rune can't have an effect that doesn't draw on external power.

"Magic" is the operative word. Magic operates.. however we choose to have it operate. Laws of entropy, conservation of energy or mass, etc.. only work on magic until we say they don't.

Because it doesn't exist. It does whatever we want it to. So if the magic runes are never described as having a fatiguing effect on the user, then they don't. If they did, then that would have been described.

Again, issue is really with profile grading. If they needed to make the user fatigued, but weren't described as such, then Sigil should have been told to change their profile, rather than being accepted and then penalized for it later when they never knew that was how it needed to work 'cause nobody told them and they assumed the system was fine as-is.

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Tres Ecstuffuan

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:50 am


Vintrict


But the part in Sigil Warden's profile that renew's itself isn't her body.

Its her runes on the axes.

The weapons themselves renew there own energy.

Stamina isn't going to play a roll in her ability to gain energy, even though it may take a bit more effort to make those attacks if they were delivered through the head of her axe....but she will never lose that accessibility to the supernatural power.

That is the problem.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:51 am


Sigil Warden
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Sigil Warden
Ignoring cloth, metal and bone, the energy feasted on flesh alone, and oh! what a banquet it had in store! Bypassing the lower ribs, it would gorge itself upon the prominent lungs, and, mauled by decay, they would collapse; the liver, the stomach, the diaphragm, their tissue necrotizing in acute, searing pain, damaged and inoperable.


OK, so this is not in the info text quote at the bottom of your post, but this is what your wrote the first time you used it.

So... I dunno how metal = cloth and NOT armor, but there you go. Maybe you just got carried away with the metaphor? Because if that's the case you can learn a lesson now about being a little clearer in your description of a technique when that description can clash with its intended parameters.

Also LOOK at what it's supposed to do by your own words there.

How much "effort" (Not runic cost or whatever, which isn't even high for this technique) did it take her to use this for the effect it can have?


What I meant by that is that it doesn't bother to expend it's energy on metal, it will boil past it. If there's a sheet of metal in the way though, it just splats and dissappears. Furthermore, that description details the things that it is targeting, it could hit any or many of them. That is left up to the other person to decide for themselves. I give the full scope of what could happen, not exactly what I wish to happen only.


LOL

"ignoring metal" = cannot pass through metal

You don't say what you mean.

And by your own logic, the fact that Fierach dodged is bullshit. So assuming he can't dodge and he doesn't have significant armor, how exactly does he determine what it hits that would be acceptable? Because it's sizable enough to mess up that general area, which is what you seem to be indicating. You're not saying "it could go here, or here, or there" but "it collapses the lungs (LOL!) then the rest of all this s**t is ********" and so the only defense he would be left with is some supernatural/magical defense of his organs.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:53 am


Sure but with a proper speed break and an item running interference, or even just a sudden sharp resistance to that motion in combination with the speed break you could diffuse the bomb of a swing she was throwing.

For instance lets assume she was throwing a horizontal cleave with her full body behind it imparting substantial momentum.

You respond by spinning away as the attack closes in striking out with one of your rotating hands as it come into alignment with the axe, the blow is down and back off the slanted face of the axe.

Your blow imparts the sum of your extending arm and any transferable momentum from the rotational force of your body.

The result pushes back and down on the axe, disrupting the flow of its momentum, when it transfers any of its available kinetic energy into the hand you struck with. While the rest is focused on a new path which fouls the remainder of the strike.

You suffer a potentially dislocated wrist, an easy if painful fix. Take damage that will increasingly and reasonably affect the remainder of the battle. And avoid being cleaved in too.
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