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Zeke Ren

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:57 pm


I wouldn't say hate necissarily.Just question the fact he is paranoid and a pilot in one.But a paranoid slicer is always a good thing...right?Right!?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:59 pm


Nospai Deathous
i read it. it was all ruined because i took it seriously until it was too late.

and the point is that he may come back alive, but he may not have necissarily done his mission right; cutting corners to preserve his life. that was Zeta's take anyway.
Achieving objectives isn't the problem. One doesn't necessarily cut corners to do that.

The problem with a paranoid pilot is when everyone is supposed to fly in formation, it becomes a pain in the a**, so they fly straight... while one guy flies like a maniac.

Like Yossarian. He had to bomb a bridge. He had to make a second pass at it before it was blown, but due to the fact he led everyone else, one of the friends he had was shot down.

So the way I see it is that paranoid pilots manage to be the best... but only when flying solo...

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:01 pm


Zeke Ren
I wouldn't say hate necissarily.Just question the fact he is paranoid and a pilot in one.But a paranoid slicer is always a good thing...right?Right!?
What would paranoia have to do with slicing?

Paranoia is a fear that everyone is out to get you. Which is effective in a combat role, as one is more likely to be cautious in achieving objectives. He may not want to achieve an objective, but he will do it anyway, blaming his death on the fact that his superiors are out to get him.

But slicing? how would paranoia really help that? He's scared his datapad isn't compatable? His spikes are defective?

Yea right...
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:01 pm


Nelowulf
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i read it. it was all ruined because i took it seriously until it was too late.

and the point is that he may come back alive, but he may not have necissarily done his mission right; cutting corners to preserve his life. that was Zeta's take anyway.
Achieving objectives isn't the problem. One doesn't necessarily cut corners to do that.

The problem with a paranoid pilot is when everyone is supposed to fly in formation, it becomes a pain in the a**, so they fly straight... while one guy flies like a maniac.

Like Yossarian. He had to bomb a bridge. He had to make a second pass at it before it was blown, but due to the fact he led everyone else, one of the friends he had was shot down.

So the way I see it is that paranoid pilots manage to be the best... but only when flying solo...
True but a paranoid pilot could take to long to judge ro be ver precautious and miss the perfect shot.But whatever,not my place to judge.It's your character.

Zeke Ren

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Zeke Ren

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:03 pm


Nelowulf
Zeke Ren
I wouldn't say hate necissarily.Just question the fact he is paranoid and a pilot in one.But a paranoid slicer is always a good thing...right?Right!?
What would paranoia have to do with slicing?

Paranoia is a fear that everyone is out to get you. Which is effective in a combat role, as one is more likely to be cautious in achieving objectives. He may not want to achieve an objective, but he will do it anyway, blaming his death on the fact that his superiors are out to get him.

But slicing? how would paranoia really help that? He's scared his datapad isn't compatable? His spikes are defective?

Yea right...
Doing somthing wrong because it's a trap.Suspecting a set overload might happen.Always checking to see who is beehind him and what they are doing.Always checking everything over and keeping things right.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:07 pm


zeta meant that a paranoid mind would be a good basis for slicing, because to be paranoid is to be overly logical (after all, all of the things he's afraid of do have a chance of happening) but not rational... and since slicing is basically computer language, having nothing but logic to bring forth is advantageous.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:11 pm


....yay clone troopers....
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:12 pm


Cale Darksun
....yay clone troopers....


yay indeed.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:14 pm


Zeke Ren
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Zeke Ren
I wouldn't say hate necissarily.Just question the fact he is paranoid and a pilot in one.But a paranoid slicer is always a good thing...right?Right!?
What would paranoia have to do with slicing?

Paranoia is a fear that everyone is out to get you. Which is effective in a combat role, as one is more likely to be cautious in achieving objectives. He may not want to achieve an objective, but he will do it anyway, blaming his death on the fact that his superiors are out to get him.

But slicing? how would paranoia really help that? He's scared his datapad isn't compatable? His spikes are defective?

Yea right...
Doing somthing wrong because it's a trap.Suspecting a set overload might happen.Always checking to see who is beehind him and what they are doing.Always checking everything over and keeping things right.


You forget paranoia has nothign to do with caution though. It is a fear that someone is out to get you in some way shape or form.

While he may be cautious in a battlefield sense and in a computer setting, he can also be rushed as well. Meaning he won't wait long enough for the shot to be fired (as in reference to your piloting remark) or try to work too fast, because he might be discovered or shot down.

Its a double-edge sword. Either too cautious or not cautious enough. And often times, the two almost negate each other, making the paranoid person cautious when things heat up, and scramble when things are too slow.

Not to mention, paranoia only comes when one is thinking actively. If Theta should say, be caught off guard in the laat and hit the largest field of AA guns, then there's a good chance he's not going to think about who's out to get him, as instinct kicks in.

In that situation, his paranoia will still be there, but due to the fact things are moving too fast, he'll try to stay alive. Turning back would be suicide, because it exposes oneself too much during the turn, and the destination is predictable. Instead, evasive action would instead occur, creating a situation where he would be more useful than someone who is not thinking about survival, and instead only relying on muscle memory. The drive isn't the same.

Another situation where the paranoia would be indirectly for the beneficiary would be in a firefight, where he is in retreat. Paranoia would dictate that retreat would be the best course of action, and thus, he would lead the retreat most effectively, as he would indeed think of survival more than of simply rebuttal. In this case, the urge to find a safe base would be more useful than one simply trying to organize thoughts coherently and attempting to oversee it all, though others may not find it as helpful on cover fire, more would find that their leader isn't a standing target.


But alas, I will not argue the point further. Paranoia is something not looked upon highly. And plus, i designed Theta after two characters: Yossarian, and the mechanic off of 8-bit theater when they had the guest comic.

He's supposed to be an outsider. Though his paranoia isn't from anything that Nospai has talked about yet.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:17 pm


i didn't say it was /from/ anywhere, just that it could be an advantage in some situations and a disadvantage in others.. =P

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Zeke Ren

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:22 pm


That's true I guess...
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:23 pm


Nospai Deathous
i didn't say it was /from/ anywhere, just that it could be an advantage in some situations and a disadvantage in others.. =P
No, I meant your hypothesis on how he developed paranoia is wrong. It isn't due to slicing.

Actually, its from a perfectly logical reason. Everyone IS out to get him. Or at least, that's how he grew up..

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Nospai Deathous

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:27 pm


oh, he didn't reveal any of those hypothesis. he simply stated that he had them. notice when he concludes that he points out his lack of experience with the subject. he feels he's unqualified to release statements on something he hasn't been trained in.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:34 pm


But, he is willing to provide a hypothesis on the subject, even though a hypothesis requires some sort of basic knowledge of the subject to even be presented logically.

Simply put: Zeta won't make a statement at anything he doesn't understand, but will throw out hundreds of guesses, even if the subject is totally foriegn to him.

And technically, Zeta could draw a conclusion on theta, mostly due to the fact that many battlefield mental disorders arise from the things you state you know about, shell-shock, etc. So technically, the symptoms, though latent, would arise in patients later on.

In that case, Zeta would have to actually monitor the patients past the 5 mintues of first aid he gives.

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