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 Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:47 pm
Hidjie They way Focht made it seem was that it was an undetectable force that fooled my scanners...if it were to cause errors then I have other methods of using the scanners. Now, my question is, since this spirit thing latches onto a machine and pervents it from scanning properly, it would be a virus...correct? Advanced firewalls would be more the sufficent to protect my scanners...or does it not follow the same guidelines as circuitry...if that's the case then I'm going to have to ask HOW does it screw with my scanners? Not exactly, it's a spirit and doesn't exist in the same dimension as we do. It acts from it's dimension to affect the equipment. The RP system it's based on has a triad of universal powers. Wyrm=destroyer, Wyld=creator, Weaver=order. The weaver spirits are naturally in all machines so it's more like a force living in the machines is protecting him. It acts to alter the data and can't be detected because it's naturally there.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:48 pm
*nods in agreement with SoulShard*
Exactly...my technology is alien to your little spirit, it's never come in contact with my scanners before Focht ran towards the OutPost. I was lenient enough to just say, what ever...I don't care. But that opened a gateway for everyone and their mothers to say that my scanners didn't do s**t to them...kinda just irritates me when my abilities don't work, simply because they have to follow logical guide lines, and your abilities do work because all you have to say is 'it's magic.'
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:50 pm
SoulShard He's saying that your bots are controlled by this cosmic force(The force,a god perhaps) and that all machines are.Therefore,by their beliefs,and their RP method,every machine in existance is a slave to this simply cause..IE bullshit. Oh whats this?My god has a sword that kills any biological being instantly because the bindings of flesh are ripped into nothing?Sure glad he gave me this thing to use.....Please..... stare You can't make that general a statement and expect it to hold any substance in gaia.It's why I say be original and never use famous refrences like lucifer,god,agabriel..and...keep it to yourself or a group.Say some machines..or most... Is there anything you don't b***h about? What we're saying is we can use it to avoid scans. We tend to limit it to that however. We don't use it to disable weapons, or shut machines down. Just avoid scans that would reveal an aspect of our natures that in the RP style it's based from is supposed to be hidden by our species laws.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:50 pm
wolf4life13 Hidjie They way Focht made it seem was that it was an undetectable force that fooled my scanners...if it were to cause errors then I have other methods of using the scanners. Now, my question is, since this spirit thing latches onto a machine and pervents it from scanning properly, it would be a virus...correct? Advanced firewalls would be more the sufficent to protect my scanners...or does it not follow the same guidelines as circuitry...if that's the case then I'm going to have to ask HOW does it screw with my scanners? Not exactly, it's a spirit and doesn't exist in the same dimension as we do. It acts from it's dimension to affect the equipment. The RP system it's based on has a triad of universal powers. Wyrm=destroyer, Wyld=creator, Weaver=order. The weaver spirits are naturally in all machines so it's more like a force living in the machines is protecting him. It acts to alter the data and can't be detected because it's naturally there. To much of a generalization...machines are just that...machines! I don't know about any other machines, but my bots? Yea, they're all tech, no spirits. MSCMCC might be able to be infected with this load of horse @^&@* primarily because she uses arcane energy with her machines. I don't hold that link with any astral plane, or what ever it is you're talking about.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:55 pm
Hidjie consider this, all things whether natural, magic, or tech return to energy. The theory for the weaver is that it inspires technology etc. by setting order into a beings mind, which inspires it to confine something to a blueprint. Machines need energy to function just like everything else, why would it be impossible for something to effect the energy that makes their perceptions? Given it's just electrons it would be easier to affect a machine than a living creature.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:59 pm
Right,well,You're not in that RP system,evidently.Blocking scans is fine if you have a good reason..my god said so isn't a very good one.I don't see how your god's powers ascend to this dimension to suddenly assist you..nor do I really care.You cannot prove your god exists..neither can I prove it doesn't.An athiest character shouldn't be bound to god's power if he thinks god doesn't exist...since we have no real way to base it IRL we shouldn't judge how to do it in the RP.It should be left to the mods to say who and what is a god.And yes,I b***h about a lot of things.
Let's take Haziel..he's an angel.Many things will be scanned about him..some things won't be found though.Like him having a holy aura.That's something humanly felt..unless they have scanning for Holy and unholy..they'd just find the body holds an odd energy signature compared to normal energy.Saying that much is fine..but saying "Your scans only pick up crazy readings,as if errored" is a little pushy.It's assuming a lot about the scanners and machines.Also,I can understand when someone uses their race.If you're the first of your race they've seen then aduh they'll only have you and nothing to compare to...but they can compare to other similar races.I'm just a little pissed off about the whole subject.I know damn rights if I still had the outpost and hadn't given it to MSC I'd be going crazy right now.
Really...it's just annoying.That's like saying the earth can't be effected because shadow my god stops it....The Master is KB's god,He lends a bit of magical aid here and there in the form of concentrated power that KB changes..I don't pull the Master into the BC and have him whip godly powers around.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:00 pm
But you're not talking about energy...you're talking about spirits that disrupt the flow of information. You're right, the flow of information is just complex codes of electronic bursts, BUT what you're talking about is spirits, something that would more then likely be related to biological beings then mechanical, stopping machines from doing their programming. You could disrupt one flow, yea that's cool. Two flows? Eh, sure, why not? Three? Ok...ok...four? Ehhhh, starting to push it. Five? Ok, now that's just boarder line god moding. I'm ok if you limit yourself to blocking out certain things.
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I wanted to scan Focht for his biomatrix, his energy levels, his body structure, his DNA read out, and nueral wave length. Blocked them all...now I would normall just say what ever and pass it off, just because it's Focht and I hold such a high degree of respect for him. Now when some little idiot comes along and says that he can block all those THEN it pisses me off, because they see Focht doing it and they assume they can do it too. All I'm saying is maybe limit the strength this thing can do! After all, you're stretching this thing's spirit energy, or what ever, across 5 or 6 highly complexed, and alien, machines.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:05 pm
Look there is no standard RP system and sometimes it causes arguments like this but simply put interupting data is as simple as altering the flow of electrons at a specific point. This was never said in terms of this spirit has just blown up your ship. It was a focused attack on a small area of a computer's capabilities. There are limits to everything, magic and tech included. Any living being can view focht and study him, tech can't. That's all there is too it and in my opinion far more reasonable that having someone that can see everything because they are in an advanced ship. If he uses it to shut down all your bots or blow them up let me know. If it's just avoiding scans so he can maintain some surprises I say that's fine. The RP's would suck if no one could keep a few things hidden.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:10 pm
Agreed Shadow...but you're mistaken when you say that they're just a few tiny computer systems. Try hundreds of highly complexed technological mazes!! For every scanner there are a thousand different ways I can scan someone, for every way I can scan someone there is about a hundred different ways that the information can be taken in. I'm not saying GIVE ME ALL YOUR INFORMATION NOW domokun I'm saying...don't say that my abilities hold no effect over you just because you say your spirits can break my tech!!
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:13 pm
You guys use magics, I use technology...it puts me at an unfair advantage when you ASSUME that my scanners cannot read past certain arcane anomolies...if anything since the OutPost was built on a planet where arcane abilities were so strong the scanners would be finely tuned into reading through magical abilities. And since I was integrated into the MSC's systems for a period of time, wouldn't it be safe to say that I too would also have tuned my scanners to read through magical abilities? These are just a thought, and are in no way trying to say that you're wrong. I'm just trying to find reasons why I should make my scans fail for no reason...
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:14 pm
I guess I understand your viewpoint.It makes a bit of sense,and does add to the RP. I'm not saying we should know everything,but a normal X-ray at least would be nice.Skeletal structure or something else easilly definable.There's always optic scanners to...you'd be surprised how much those pick up. sweatdrop Though one could argue our techie advantage as much as we could argue their gods...but..The harvester has been used on several occasions...and Hidjie has everything cleared by 9 I assume.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:16 pm
What's there to clear with 9? It's not like I'm saying that I have nuclear capabilties here! I'm just saying that you people can read auras or track through scent and all this crap. I use scanners, and when my scanners are being douped I wana know why and how, and if it's even liable to think that I might be able to bypass this little trick!
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:18 pm
Heh....MSC is drawing again.....She's got lizard cyborgs on the mind this time...oh...yup...there she goes with the lego.... stressed I'm actually quite rwmpted to join her...perhaps build the Alexander.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:20 pm
Yo, Soul...I was perfectly content with my out dated body, then MSC brought me in and got me a new body. Dropped me like a sack of bricks and started waging war. I couldn't exactly help the dojo in a body that could stand about 2 seconds under .50 cal shots, now could I? Everyone in this guild goes through their little transformations to make themselves stronger. Xol's got his demon form or what ever, Focht made himself evil and now he's some great fighter with acid blood and crap, Soul you dropped off that one little kid and now you've got some kinda bloody sythe that grants you grand powers? Heh...not exactly the kinda stuff I wana be fighting without upgrades.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:22 pm
Sorry for delays, got caught up in a chat window. Okay I'd say the best middle ground for this will be something along these lines. Tell me if it's okay. Focht can not be just scanned, but if he's occupied or unaware then you can gather data on the area immiediately surrounding his body to extrapolate data. Beyond that I'd say it'd be only fair if your units were line of sight or at the spot where he was to gather this data, sorta like detectives would be gathering forensic evidence.
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