With what I was trying to say is that the starting class skill / proficiency level would carry to the specialized classes as the baseline for using weapons/armor/tools outside their profession, maybe with a penalty against that base class as you migrate up the profession tree.
An advanced mage would probably be below a new character who's starting as a swordsman in a sword fight I mean. A knight would probably not be as accurate as a beginning bow user unless they had done something off their standard skill path.
I don't know really, just some random thoughts.
Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 2:25 pm
oooohhh ok, I get it, that's what I thought you meant but I wasn't sure
With what I was trying to say is that the starting class skill / proficiency level would carry to the specialized classes as the baseline for using weapons/armor/tools outside their profession, maybe with a penalty against that base class as you migrate up the profession tree.
An advanced mage would probably be below a new character who's starting as a swordsman in a sword fight I mean. A knight would probably not be as accurate as a beginning bow user unless they had done something off their standard skill path.
I don't know really, just some random thoughts.
Yup, this is pretty much what I was getting at. A good manga to get an idea for this is Yureka, which is based on a lot of games like this.
Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 9:22 am
-so next on the list are the actual classes -and then their abilities (which I'm assuming we're going to do the combat vs support tree options, but lets decide on actual classes first)
base classes Archer Mage Ninja Swordsman Monk
adv classes (this is where the combat and support trees would appear) Adv Archer Adv Mage Adv Ninja Adv Swordsman Adv Monk
I can't do that, Nar. This place was built to be the GNA, the Gaian Ninja Academy. If you want this to be something else, then I'm gonna suggest that another guild or thread is made separate and apart from this.
As I've said in past posts, ninjas can perform all of these tasks. Heck, I even gave examples. The only time we should allow someone to come in as something strictly other than a ninja is someone from a guild or thread we have an alliance with. Other than that, it's up to the DM to bring in other characters that can challenge the players. If those NPCs are other classes, that's fine, but players should follow the guidelines for what this place stands for.
Or are you of the opinion that it should have a name change?
ok, so let's quickly discuss what a ninja really is (and it's unfortunate that manga Naruto was pulled into this guild early on) a ninja is someone who is stealthy and avoids combat at all costs, and has to be light on their feet. If they have to fight they will, but they'll try to run first. That's why they have smoke bombs, distraction tools, etc. Stretching it so that ninja's can do all the other class' rolls is just silly at this point since we're trying to go away from the old guild and do something different. Ninja's don't use 2handed swords, sorry. That's just asinine. By definition they would be called something else. The only reason why everything in the old RP was classified as "ninja" was because of Naruto.
also, you seem to be forgetting the several posts explaining this next basic factor. The actual GNA in the story has been destroyed/lost for so much time that it's become a myth. I'm going to assume you know what a myth is at this point. It is entirely plausible that (lets say 100+ years have past, for argument sake), the ninja villages were also destroyed and "ninja" teachings and "civilization" have been nearly lost. There's probably a handful of ninja clans that still exist (aka, the ninja class, where that character would be from) Humans still went on, and as they did, they learned how to survive by taking on different weapons and different fighting styles. They had to, because whatever destruction came their way, it now turned the world into an even more cutthroat violent place that requires anyone who wants to leave their village/city to know how to fight. so what h4x said earlier about weapon wielding would make sense with this premise in mind. the sub-class thing would also make sense. The schools and academy's that the ninja villages had would have been destroyed. I think it would reasonable to say that over 100+ years things can change significantly, and people forget the old ways. (Or, people had to fight differently, because the thing that destroyed their civilization turned their ninja techniques completely useless? side-note for story idk) but my main point stands regardless, the ravages time has occured.
the reason why we're keeping the name GNA is because it'll be about GNA eventually. I know you didn't read the previous posts, but earlier we discussed how the goal of the adventurers would eventually be to seek out lost information/techniques that GNA left behind. You're taking the title too literally, like WAAAY too literally. Have you never seen a show or a book that has the title of something, and then the title of the show doesn't come to focus immediately? but later on? That's what's happening here. And you should be more open minded about a dead guild in general lol. You're talking as if we'll never address the GNA again and as if this is in a different final fantasy world. same region/world, stuff happened 100+ years, things changed dramatically as they tend to do 100+ years later, and that's about it ok?
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 1:00 pm
Okay Nar, let's actually discuss what a shinobi is, since Naruto is all you seem to be able to compare it to, and to be honest it wasn't brought in until later on. The GNA used most of the same things, it's only some people brought in Naruto elements like blood lines, but the elements were always a part of it.
You also seem to be stuck on the Academy part. This is a place for shinobi, period. A shinobi was generally ruled by the samurai who paid them, and had missions presented that a samurai generally would not deem fit for him to do. Yes, they were sneaky, stealthy, and loved being in the dark, but they also used to disguise themselves as everyday people to do their killing. Most commonly, lower class people or monks (sound familiar?) Quite often shinobi were hired by opposing sides, sometimes hiring two shinobi from the same village, sometimes not. When they meet up, it's their duty to try and accomplish their goal.
If it means killing people to get to that goal, they do it. They may scout first, then retreat, assess the information and then attack either alone or with more troops, but they always get the goal. That's what made them deadly, and ultimately what cost them everything. It's also been centuries since shinobis were last used, but you can still learn to become one if you know where to go.
I also never said dual wielding, as ninjas simply use a sword or two smaller knives/spades that were sharpened.
To aim at a target from a distance, they used bows if it worked best. Mages, well ninjas were said to be able to use magic, but we all know it was just trickery. Regardless, the GNA was built upon elemental usage for ninjas, so we keep with that. Swordsmen, ninjas were known to use swords as well. Here's the typical "ninja sword":
Monk, well, we touched on this. To be able to evade authorities, they were trained enough to do the basic monk stuff, perhaps a little more. Sometimes they had to embed themselves into a society or lifestyle for years to get the kill, during those times they learned their trade that they took up.
So, once again, I hope you can see where these all DO fit into the ninja role. The ONLY way someone should be able to get in otherwise, is if they come from an allied guild/thread, like I did. That was the only way in the past and should stay the same now.
As for the academy, I think we should put the guild on a backburner and move to a thread in a major forum/sub-forum. This allows us to get more members, and keep things semi-fresh. During the time in the thread, older characters (which we kinda talked about anyway) might come back, train some a little, and then disappear to work on rebuilding the GNA. One example is Tutsumi who literally can still be alive, albeit a bit older, and who also has the "funds" to rebuild it or Ishira. Older characters, if they have a viable reason to still be alive, would have to roll their stats, with an added bonus respectable to how many years its been and if they've continued training/being active in the world. (I say this since some might want to retire and just train while others may have been active or at least say they have been.)
Some of these older characters can also work with the DM to help guide the story, being good/bad/neutral/chaotic. Again though, only if they have a valid reason to still be alive.
no like, what I was saying is that we've been RPing in a Naruto-like-verse, I'm not comparing it to Naruto, it WAS Naruto haha
(2handed as in a huge broad sword, not dual wielding, which would have been included if we decided on classifying everyone as a ninja)
sorry, I just think it's ridiculous to classify everyone as a ninja. You're really stretching the definition of what a "ninja" can do. Like, I see what you're saying but you're going "well technically" this and that. Why not just make it simple and go "these are the classes, these are why they're different". because at this point it's like saying "well all humans who want to fight are ninja's (or samurai I guess)" you're focusing too much on semantics
anyone else have an opinion? because I completely disagree with the amount of stretch put on this whole ninja thing, I feel like you're trying to cling to how things use to be too much (and it's fine that we disagree, that's how we forge this out)
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 6:43 pm
In the old rp we classified everyone as Nin regardless of whether or not they were. We we spoke about classes i was under the assumption we were training new nin/shinobi that were just specializing in different classes. The Ninja class i figured would be more on specific techniques or whatever but i can why having that class is technically useless. We worked easily around these class issues in the past we just never named or limited people to them.
Whether anyone agrees with this or not, the GNA will stay the GNA. And ultimately i would like the rp to go towards re-establishing a school, academy, whatever. We discussed that already, maybe i wasnt clear enough. But the storyline should start with new people coming here because they are interested in the old teachings. While we would start with new characters i had every intention of involving older characters later or earlier if needed to make the storyline more interesting and create goals that would get the group either working together to defeat a enemy or advance the group with challenging tasks.
I do not agree that the former GNA was NARUTO. There were a lot of things similar and references but never did the rp then revolve around Narutos storyline.
lol wait a second you want to go back to how we were doing things?
not Naruto storyline everything combat-based was based off of Naruto essentially chakra, techniques, hand signs like, yes we used Naruto, that's just a fact of the matter we didn't copy-and-paste the exact name of the jutsu's, but we were using the logic and my argument is, that's not what ninja's do, they don't throw themselves into a fight like a warrior, and that's what Naruto has taught us, and it's wrong lol whether it was learned from Naruto or not isn't my point
I don't think any of us are on the same page anymore, thought we were doing something new here while using the old story as the new story's history
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 7:52 pm
Nar, since I'm sadly the only old member here now ... you're still wrong. Elements of Naruto came on quite awhile afterwards. So did the handseals (actually MUCH afterwards). The first element was chakra to explain how energy moves, which is actually fairly accurate except the terms. Handseals were actually used to channel that energy in real life.
So those two are based on real things, not Naruto. Not only that, there was some fight back on even referencing Naruto originally, since people didn't want it too integrated. Sadly, we were over ruled and with the alliance in the thread Bella made, we allowed Naruto based characters, bloodlines, etc. So no, it wasn't everything Naruto. It took a long time to get like that.
I'm not talking about your old story, I'm talking about the most recent one we RP'd, the one you weren't in
Stop trying to make this "I'm right you're wrong", I'm trying to like, understand what it is you guys are expecting to come out of repeating the same story and factors over and over again
