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 Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:01 pm
iDa-Kid The world ows us nothing, I simply said I wanted to chill by myself jon. You the one bitching about christmas and how I should be lucky. Ciara its fine, the early shift made me tired. Now my head hurts cas these wisdom teeth. Dude, whatever man, you are completely missing the point of what I just said, nay, you're ignoring. You can say you're doing it by yourself but someone somewhere has to give you a chance. At least you aint living in a hole on the side of the road. My original point was that it doesn't feel like Christmas to me this year because my family is utterly and totally gone.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:04 pm
JMan 240 Q - Thanksgiving is a secular Pagan holiday... so is Christmas. The world would be better if we all listened to John Lenon's advice and imagined a world without religion. 90% of all wars have been fought over religion. The human race isn't responsible enough to handle the idea of a higher power. Exactly everything is over these three things always they teach you the phrase "God, Glory, Gold," but its true everything thats fought over or causes trouble is mainly religion or money or for the sake of getting your name in some museum. The only reason we even have religion in the US is because the Founders believed Religion was needed to keep order and control in society. Because with out religion people would do what ever basically cause essentially there would be no moral rights or wrongs. Jazz: I think thats a good thought because as long as you keep the meaning alive when you die others will keep your memories alive essentially keeping the meaning you believed in alive.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:07 pm
This is just Pessimist galore!
Everybody just needs to take a Chill Pill... Or take acid... one of the two; take your pick!
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:08 pm
Christmas took the place of equanox, yes, after Constantine took control of the Roman empire. He was a convert to christianity, but had to deal with the old tranditionalists. So he created the holiday to balance it. It took place during the equanox to satisfy the pagans, and celebrated the birht of christ to satisfy the christians. Thanksgiving, however, was celebrated by the puritans to give thanks for suriving the winter without starving, so I don't think that is a fair claim.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:13 pm
Tempted Goddess Christmas took the place of equanox, yes, after Constantine took control of the Roman empire. He was a convert to christianity, but had to deal with the old tranditionalists. So he created the holiday to balance it. It took place during the equanox to satisfy the pagans, and celebrated the birht of christ to satisfy the christians. Thanksgiving, however, was celebrated by the puritans to give thanks for suriving the winter without starving, so I don't think that is a fair claim. WRONG JAZZY ! Lol Actually the first thanksgiving was in Mexico where the Spaniards gave thanks for a good crop or something this was before the Puritans had arrived in America yet.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:17 pm
Powermetal is really... annoying.
Jazzy - Neither of them are church sanctioned holidays, officially. People of a multitude of religions celebrate both of them. Thanksgiving is really just an American holiday anyways. Like I said, people can't handle religion. It's human nature to ******** up that kind of important things. Thus is why I don't practice any institutionalize form of religion. I think preachers and congregations pervert the Christian religion, and I really haven't found a single one that I think presents the Bible as a way to live your life. Not a one doesn't point to at least one spot and say that it condemns some group of people or some action. The act of pointing out any sort of condemnation to anyone, even if it is in the bible, is a sin. God is the only one who can condemn someone and therefore it is in no way anyone's right to even speak about someone else being wrong. Yet we all do it. It's also my belief that there is no way to live strictly by the bible, if there is someone who can then they do not live on earth.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:19 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:20 pm
JMan 240 Powermetal is really... annoying. Jazzy - Neither of them are church sanctioned holidays, officially. People of a multitude of religions celebrate both of them. Thanksgiving is really just an American holiday anyways. Like I said, people can't handle religion. It's human nature to ******** up that kind of important things. Thus is why I don't practice any institutionalize form of religion. I think preachers and congregations pervert the Christian religion, and I really haven't found a single one that I think presents the Bible as a way to live your life. Not a one doesn't point to at least one spot and say that it condemns some group of people or some action. The act of pointing out any sort of condemnation to anyone, even if it is in the bible, is a sin. God is the only one who can condemn someone and therefore it is in no way anyone's right to even speak about someone else being wrong. Yet we all do it. It's also my belief that there is no way to live strictly by the bible, if there is someone who can then they do not live on earth. Metal ? All agreed on that though.... but thats why the bible teaches forgiveness as long as you can actually feel regret for your sins.... and not repeat them...
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:23 pm
CHURCH IS FOR SINNERS NOT THE RIGHTOUS! xD
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:31 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:32 pm
Qastor Sugino Sakada JMan 240 Powermetal is really... annoying. Jazzy - Neither of them are church sanctioned holidays, officially. People of a multitude of religions celebrate both of them. Thanksgiving is really just an American holiday anyways. Like I said, people can't handle religion. It's human nature to ******** up that kind of important things. Thus is why I don't practice any institutionalize form of religion. I think preachers and congregations pervert the Christian religion, and I really haven't found a single one that I think presents the Bible as a way to live your life. Not a one doesn't point to at least one spot and say that it condemns some group of people or some action. The act of pointing out any sort of condemnation to anyone, even if it is in the bible, is a sin. God is the only one who can condemn someone and therefore it is in no way anyone's right to even speak about someone else being wrong. Yet we all do it. It's also my belief that there is no way to live strictly by the bible, if there is someone who can then they do not live on earth. Metal ? All agreed on that though.... but thats why the bible teaches forgiveness as long as you can actually feel regret for your sins.... and not repeat them... POWERmetal is annoying. I enjoy metal though. And as soon as every human being in the world learns how to reject their base animalistic nature then that kinda thing can work. But human nature dictates that we repeat our numerous everyday sins as I call them. Then again, I'm not a Christian in any sense of the world Christian, nor am I faithful, nor am I a believer. There simply is, and if God is then that's great, if God isn't then oh well. I can't do anything to change those either way. Drew - Life is for the sinners.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:33 pm
Welcome to our thorny Philosophical discussion. I really think my way of looking at things gives me an advantage in this discussion xD
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:35 pm
lol Jon I was bored as the convo is seriousy boring.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:36 pm
JMan 240 Welcome to our thorny Philosophical discussion. I really think my way of looking at things gives me an advantage in this discussion xD
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:39 pm
Jon: So why not just follow the bible as it is? We're all going to sin, it tells us that, but that is why their forgiveness. wink As to religion I am probably one of the worst Catholics out there because I think that everything can be forgiven if a person has truely tried to make up for what they've done and turn away from it. I think its possible to live by the bible as a whole because in its teachings it says that there was only one perfect guy and we killed him. But that was so we could all be forgiven for screwing up. God is god. He can kill us in an instant if he chooses and yet he doesnot because he knows our weaknesses. Which is why he gave us grace. I agree with you, no one should be condemned for what they believed because their soul is their choice on what to do with it. Good point though on church. We're all going to fall over and over again, but we have to choose to get up. Even if we falll again, I think that if we keep striving for goodness... we might make it somewhere close enough that when we die he'll look at us and say, "You did better than I expected"
Drew: Church is a hospital for sinners not a temple for the righteous. smile Suprised someone else has heard that.
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