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 Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:58 pm
Jedi Sasquatch
Yeah, but then afterward you don't have to deal with anything else.
A few seconds of pain, then an eternity of freedom.
No, but your loved ones do. I take it you believe in an afterlife, then? Because otherwise, it would be an eternity of... not existing. LabTech Kestin Don't mean nothin', all disappear. Repelling the magnet, nuking the black hole, good for none of it what's around me, stick it stick it in there an' watch it melt away all melt away...brown and orange and grey and black, make me end ...Are you reciting some taboo incantation or something? D8
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:13 pm
Foam-Dome Jedi Sasquatch
Yeah, but then afterward you don't have to deal with anything else.
A few seconds of pain, then an eternity of freedom.
No, but your loved ones do. I take it you believe in an afterlife, then? Because otherwise, it would be an eternity of... not existing.
I don't believe in an afterlife. And that's the whole point. If I don't find any meaning or joy in my existence, then dying would make me free from it.
But I'm not depressed at the moment, so meh.
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:54 pm
Jedi Sasquatch Foam-Dome Jedi Sasquatch
Yeah, but then afterward you don't have to deal with anything else.
A few seconds of pain, then an eternity of freedom.
No, but your loved ones do. I take it you believe in an afterlife, then? Because otherwise, it would be an eternity of... not existing.
I don't believe in an afterlife. And that's the whole point. If I don't find any meaning or joy in my existence, then dying would make me free from it.
But I'm not depressed at the moment, so meh.
Suicide is selfish. And also kinda lazy. Rather than thinking about the effects that your death will have on others or trying to find solutions to your problems, you just end your own life. You've gotta take the good with the bad, man. Even if your life sucks, it still has its truly wonderful moments. If you die, you experience, well, nothing.
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:33 pm
Foam-Dome I take it you believe in an afterlife, then? Because otherwise, it would be an eternity of... not existing. Sometimes, the idea of nothing is better than the idea of continuing to deal with whatever it is that's bothering you. I have this hearing disorder that haunts me every single day. It controls my life. It's never not going to be a problem for me. But I don't take the plunge because there are some things that I do enjoy. I enjoy learning. I enjoy the idea of having my own house and a wife. I enjoy cuddling my cats. I enjoy being on Gaia. I don't think it's really fair to say that someone who wants to kill themselves is lazy. We work really, really, really hard to not kill ourselves. I put up with s**t in my head that "normal" people will never have to face. I don't think it's really fair to say that a suicidal person is lazy. In fact, it could be said as being the other way around. A person enjoys having someone as a friend and because of that, they don't want him/her to die - but they ignore just how much pain and suffering that person is in.
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:53 pm
CleoSombra Foam-Dome I take it you believe in an afterlife, then? Because otherwise, it would be an eternity of... not existing. Sometimes, the idea of nothing is better than the idea of continuing to deal with whatever it is that's bothering you. I have this hearing disorder that haunts me every single day. It controls my life. It's never not going to be a problem for me. But I don't take the plunge because there are some things that I do enjoy. I enjoy learning. I enjoy the idea of having my own house and a wife. I enjoy cuddling my cats. I enjoy being on Gaia. I don't think it's really fair to say that someone who wants to kill themselves is lazy. We work really, really, really hard to not kill ourselves. I put up with s**t in my head that "normal" people will never have to face. I don't think it's really fair to say that a suicidal person is lazy. In fact, it could be said as being the other way around. A person enjoys having someone as a friend and because of that, they don't want him/her to die - but they ignore just how much pain and suffering that person is in. That's only if you completely ignore the highlights of life. Uh, what? XD I never said suicidal people were lazy. I said the act of suicide is a lazy way to respond to your problems. I think you misinterpreted. Quote: Suicide is selfish. And also kinda lazy I'm saying that no, it's not a lazy way people deal with their problems. People who attempt suicide are generally at their wits end. Suicide is a pretty serious thing and most people who do it typically do it when they've tried everything else. :/
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:55 pm
CleoSombra A person enjoys having someone as a friend and because of that, they don't want him/her to die - but they ignore just how much pain and suffering that person is in. Or maybe they just really genuinely don't understand it? Because how on Earth can someone know or imagine the exact, specific things going on in someone's head without having experienced it themselves? And that's what makes it so hard for other people to understand, right? They can never be sure if they understand fully what that person is going through.
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:55 pm
Foam-Dome Jedi Sasquatch Foam-Dome Jedi Sasquatch
Yeah, but then afterward you don't have to deal with anything else.
A few seconds of pain, then an eternity of freedom.
No, but your loved ones do. I take it you believe in an afterlife, then? Because otherwise, it would be an eternity of... not existing.
I don't believe in an afterlife. And that's the whole point. If I don't find any meaning or joy in my existence, then dying would make me free from it.
But I'm not depressed at the moment, so meh.
Suicide is selfish. And also kinda lazy. Rather than thinking about the effects that your death will have on others or trying to find solutions to your problems, you just end your own life. You've gotta take the good with the bad, man. Even if your life sucks, it still has its truly wonderful moments. If you die, you experience, well, nothing. Yeah, I agree.
See, I never actually think that suicide is a good idea. But I feel like doing it all the time. There's a big difference between thinking and feeling.
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:57 pm
Jedi Sasquatch Foam-Dome Jedi Sasquatch Foam-Dome Jedi Sasquatch
Yeah, but then afterward you don't have to deal with anything else.
A few seconds of pain, then an eternity of freedom.
No, but your loved ones do. I take it you believe in an afterlife, then? Because otherwise, it would be an eternity of... not existing.
I don't believe in an afterlife. And that's the whole point. If I don't find any meaning or joy in my existence, then dying would make me free from it.
But I'm not depressed at the moment, so meh.
Suicide is selfish. And also kinda lazy. Rather than thinking about the effects that your death will have on others or trying to find solutions to your problems, you just end your own life. You've gotta take the good with the bad, man. Even if your life sucks, it still has its truly wonderful moments. If you die, you experience, well, nothing. Yeah, I agree.
See, I never actually think that suicide is a good idea. But I feel like doing it all the time. There's a big difference between thinking and feeling. Ah, I guess I just misinterpreted too, then. XD
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:59 pm
Foam-Dome Jedi Sasquatch Foam-Dome Jedi Sasquatch Foam-Dome Jedi Sasquatch
Yeah, but then afterward you don't have to deal with anything else.
A few seconds of pain, then an eternity of freedom.
No, but your loved ones do. I take it you believe in an afterlife, then? Because otherwise, it would be an eternity of... not existing.
I don't believe in an afterlife. And that's the whole point. If I don't find any meaning or joy in my existence, then dying would make me free from it.
But I'm not depressed at the moment, so meh.
Suicide is selfish. And also kinda lazy. Rather than thinking about the effects that your death will have on others or trying to find solutions to your problems, you just end your own life. You've gotta take the good with the bad, man. Even if your life sucks, it still has its truly wonderful moments. If you die, you experience, well, nothing. Yeah, I agree.
See, I never actually think that suicide is a good idea. But I feel like doing it all the time. There's a big difference between thinking and feeling. Ah, I guess I just misinterpreted too, then. XD
No, you didn't misinterpret anything. I was basically arguing that suicide was a good idea, so it made sense for you to argue back.
And by the way, I appreciate the support.
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:04 am
cave_dweller_candy CleoSombra A person enjoys having someone as a friend and because of that, they don't want him/her to die - but they ignore just how much pain and suffering that person is in. Or maybe they just really genuinely don't understand it? Because how on Earth can someone know or imagine the exact, specific things going on in someone's head without having experienced it themselves? And that's what makes it so hard for other people to understand, right? They can never be sure if they understand fully what that person is going through. I was just pointing out that I don't think it's fair to call suicide selfish. . . when saying you want a person to live could be considered selfish as well (in a weird sense). But no, I don't think that's really the case. I don't think people are like "******** your suffering, play with me!" xD I just . . . don't like it when people say suicide is lazy or selfish, because I feel it really minimizes what people go through.
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:08 am
CleoSombra I just . . . don't like it when people say suicide is lazy or selfish, because I feel it really minimizes what people go through.
I think it's a bad thing to say too. Not because it minimizes what people go through, though it probably does that as well, but because it doesn't really help the situation.
Like, the reason I often contemplate suicide is because I feel like I'm a hopeless waste of space in the world and that I'm not doing any good for anyone. I don't need to be told that doing what I'm planning on doing would screw things up even more, I need to be told that I'm not a hopeless waste of space.
Not right now, of course. I'm not depressed right now.
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:09 am
CleoSombra cave_dweller_candy CleoSombra A person enjoys having someone as a friend and because of that, they don't want him/her to die - but they ignore just how much pain and suffering that person is in. Or maybe they just really genuinely don't understand it? Because how on Earth can someone know or imagine the exact, specific things going on in someone's head without having experienced it themselves? And that's what makes it so hard for other people to understand, right? They can never be sure if they understand fully what that person is going through. I was just pointing out that I don't think it's fair to call suicide selfish. . . when saying you want a person to live could be considered selfish as well (in a weird sense). But no, I don't think that's really the case. I don't think people are like "******** your suffering, play with me!" xD I just . . . don't like it when people say suicide is lazy or selfish, because I feel it really minimizes what people go through. Yeah I totally get that /points at scars on wrist. . . . . . . . Um Yeah I just wanted to point out how everyone's situations are unique and most of the time people just don't know how to help . . . . .
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:11 am
CleoSombra cave_dweller_candy CleoSombra A person enjoys having someone as a friend and because of that, they don't want him/her to die - but they ignore just how much pain and suffering that person is in. Or maybe they just really genuinely don't understand it? Because how on Earth can someone know or imagine the exact, specific things going on in someone's head without having experienced it themselves? And that's what makes it so hard for other people to understand, right? They can never be sure if they understand fully what that person is going through. I was just pointing out that I don't think it's fair to call suicide selfish. . . when saying you want a person to live could be considered selfish as well (in a weird sense). But no, I don't think that's really the case. I don't think people are like "******** your suffering, play with me!" xD I just . . . don't like it when people say suicide is lazy or selfish, because I feel it really minimizes what people go through. Oh, if you're going to take that approach... Pretty much everything is right and wrong in some sense or another. Like, say, coming to someone's rescue when he/she tries to commit suicide. Normally this would be considered a good deed, yes? But what if he/she continued to live a miserable life which eventually ended in a horribly painful death? Then preventing that person from killing him/herself becomes a bad thing. I've used this example in the past too, but say there was a mass murderer that could be killed with the simple press of a button. Most people would press the button without a second thought, but what if he only killed other mass murderers? Then keeping him alive would be better. EDIT: Anyway, I'm just reminding everyone that I'm not saying that suicidal people are lazy or selfish (since what seems to have gone amiss). I'm just one of those people who believes that suicide should never be seriously contemplated, much less carried out. There is always a saving grace that makes life worth living.
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:18 am
Foam-Dome EDIT: Anyway, I'm just reminding everyone that I'm not saying that suicidal people are lazy or selfish (since what seems to have gone amiss). I'm just one of those people who believes that suicide should never be seriously contemplated, much less carried out. There is always a saving grace that makes life worth living.
Oh, I never thought you were calling suicidal people lazy/selfish. But the thing is that depression is a mental illness. You can't really help having suicidal thoughts, it's just an automatic thought that stays in your head. And when the only thing people say in response is that suicide is a horrible and selfish thing, that only makes the person feel worse. It makes him feel like he's a bad person for even considering it. Or at least that's how it makes me feel.
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:25 am
Jedi Sasquatch Foam-Dome EDIT: Anyway, I'm just reminding everyone that I'm not saying that suicidal people are lazy or selfish (since what seems to have gone amiss). I'm just one of those people who believes that suicide should never be seriously contemplated, much less carried out. There is always a saving grace that makes life worth living.
Oh, I never thought you were calling suicidal people lazy/selfish. But the thing is that depression is a mental illness. You can't really help having suicidal thoughts, it's just an automatic thought that stays in your head. And when the only thing people say in response is that suicide is a horrible and selfish thing, that only makes the person feel worse. It makes him feel like he's a bad person for even considering it. Or at least that's how it makes me feel.
That does make sense... Okay, I'll amend what I said. Contemplating suicide is understandable (albeit illogical) for those who have depression, but it doesn't make sense to me for other people to consider it. (And before anyone starts making assumptions, no, I'm not implying that people with depression are inferior or different in any negative ways.)
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