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Vintrict
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:53 pm


I don't know. Based on Monty Python and the Holy Grail, I can say I'm the King of England.

As far as my experience is concerned, you have to realize what HoH is. It use to be a Levi thing. Then the Levi crew decided to recruit people from Barton, Commerce, and the FFA to join the HoH. It was meant to be a KoF inspired tournament. As far as favoritism is concerned, it was prevalent considering that the runners of the tournament were part of the Levi Guild and some of the participants were Levi, too. Not to mention, most of the levi teams did make it further than others, mainly due to story and being use to their friends playstyles. That's the only evidence we can provide if anything, and it makes sense from a logical point of view. There are cases of it, too, during the ooc threads in past HoHs.

Another reason why no one wanted to cry its rigged legitimately because no one wanted to be laughed out of the community formed there. As you said, there's no evidence, so yes, there's no reason to claim anything against anyone. There were some who did say 'then why did your friends' teams make it so far and why was it seeded so each of them went against newcomers?" They can give whatever answer they want.

I don't care if it was rigged or not. Even if it was, there was nothing anyone could do to stop it. We chose to play under their rules and we trusted that they judged it accordingly. Or rather, the advertisement was a bit wrong. We chose to join a tournament roleplay being ran for story reasons by levi, not an actual tournament where everyone can fairly win. So in the end, there really is no reason to complain that they were playing favorites. That's their decision to do so, and all we can do is choose whether to go to the next one or not.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:57 pm


I decided to roll with it.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:59 pm


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what is discussed in the the judging quarters that is off limit to the public?


Profile grading and fight grading, as well as delegating stuff like PMing information, dealing with judge issues, etc. It's private so that results aren't leaked, people don't have access to their opponents' profiles, etc.

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Because as far as I am concerned signs of favoritism can be shown in the voting poll example alone. My team didn't register as the bitchy hoes... we registered as the save-a-hos.

and since you wanna use "REAL WORLD LOGIC AND LEGAL PREMISES" to refute my statement. That alone is enough grounds to debunk the legitimacy of objective and fairness of the tournament.


Which.. would be your interpretation, again. Someone else could interpret it as a joke. Again, not really hard evidence - although if you had more concrete evidence, I'd say that this would support it. But in and of itself? Not really. That's like saying people are biased or show favoritism for making jokes about me being Indian in their judgments, or about Deitric being an Indian when he's not.

If there was serious evidence of rigging or favoritism, then I would definitely view this as being an indicator in support of the argument.. but there's no actual evidence of a judge going "You know what? ******** these guys and ******** their team, they lose because I say so regardless of how the fight went." Again, what you're talking about could be construed as bias against you.. or as a joke. A really shitty joke. A really, really shitty joke. But there's not enough evidence to tip it towards being construed as evidence of favoritism for the other team or against yours.

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Not to mention what Crawley stated previously.


Which.. is an opinion, and not evidence?

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Also my example given on power spamming or abuse. When you are talking about competition there is no such thing as limited use of an ability.


Wrong, tournaments regularly impose limits on ability use. For example, in 2009 and 2011, Deitric was only allowed to his roughly eight abilities per fight unless provided with an outside source of electricity, and he usually had to wait a couple of posts between ability uses.

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Lastly. You, yourself argued that rubric leaves room for bias... if having a bias isn't rigging something intentionally, especially if your bias isn't documented. I don't know what the ******** is.


Actually, I argued that most judging rubrics allow for subjectivity, which isn't the same thing as favoritism or intentional rigging. Subjectivity and the bias that comes with it is unconscious, but we can be aware of it and try to minimize it. Favoritism or intentional rigging would be the opposite, where you're going "******** it, I want you, you, and you to win, and I want you, you, and you to lose because I like/don't like you."

Also, you missed the part where my original post didn't say that you said it was rigged. My original post:

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HoH has never been rigged. People who make that suggestion seriously are usually just sore losers.

I've both participated and been on staff, so I've had access to all the judge calls, discussions, etc from every year and there has never been any evidence to suggest that there has been any rigging.. other than people complaining when they lose.

Which isn't to say that there haven't been poor judge calls or the like - people make mistakes, so there's no such thing as a perfectly run tournament. But rigged? Definitely not.


Simply said that it wasn't rigged, and I didn't quote or directly respond to you, since, as you said, you didn't originally say it was rigged. You responded to me - not the other way around. Am I pursuing shenanigans.. or are you? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE ANYMORE?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:03 pm


First of all there is no King of England so that is my proof that you all are wrong.

There is only the queen -- followed by the prince and princesses and then all the other lesser titles.

Now SHUT UP.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:03 pm


I've probably said once that HoH was rigged.

I was always joking if I did.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:06 pm


No, Crawley.

I am the King of England.

Don't make me smite you.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:08 pm


Y'all acting like calling out parts of HoH is some whack heresy.

HoH is rigged. It's less rigged than the GTB or other tournaments where they let you like... use nukes and s**t. Doesn't matter. Still not functionally determined by a set, rigid scoring system. It's just the judges agreeing that X team won vs Y and then a bunch of bullshit numbers and their explanation of why.



And no, most of this s**t isn't in the guild anywhere, because those kinds of things don't happen in the official medium. That would kind of be like saying that there isn't any corruption in politics because you can't find incriminating documents in the party offices. They don't just have folders laying around with pictures of the politicians getting sucked off by 14 year old taiwanese boys. All that s**t is handled through private channels.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:08 pm


Vintrict
Such as Mata Leon vs. Frozen Flame in '08. I still think Mata should have won that.
Now that was a robbery.

What hurt most about that loss was that I was actually trying to prove a point that year about the difference between arena based fighting style rp-ers and regular rp-ers..

But .. oh well.

Fox and I were stupid salty about that.. lol...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:12 pm


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:12 pm


You know what was a real robbery?

WHEN CRAWLEY THREW THE FIGHT IN THE FINALS AND WE LOST.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:14 pm


Mr Crawley
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Such as Mata Leon vs. Frozen Flame in '08. I still think Mata should have won that.
Now that was a robbery.

What hurt most about that loss was that I was actually trying to prove a point that year about the difference between arena based fighting style rp-ers and regular rp-ers..

But .. oh well.

Fox and I were stupid salty about that.. lol...

It was a good fight, nonetheless, but sierra and co clearly had the favor to win. Clearly, they were prime to meet Vahn's team in the finals for plot purposes due to the whole Sierra and Vahn issue and amnesia. Then Frozen Flame suddenly had no shows in their fight against bloody Pandas, which allowed BP to advance to finals. And what happened at finals? Nothing at all. Glacier hardly did anything and weren't present. BP wins.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:16 pm


Ok I think people think that I or Darth is taking this more seriously then we should.

I can't speak for him but...

I like discussion. I like to argue points and go back forth about opinions vs facts.


It's why I RP fight.


I think he feels the same given his last post.

So for the sake of the others Darth. Shall we agree to disagree?

((KB wins for me again.))

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:17 pm


As far as favoritism goes.. I think it exists/ed but.. to me it never mattered because I figured that if I choked everyone out ...

Or at the very least.. beat them so bad there was no other alternative but to grant my team the win..

Then it didn't matter if someone was the favorite or not... because a decisive end had been brought about.

--- I remember some very tense debates about this outlook because I kept getting lip from officials saying s**t like "blah blah blha roleplaying is most important you may knock people out and lose."

And I was like "Yo that doesn't make any sense because the point is to defeat the opponent.. if you want to have a RP-pageant then do that but don't call it a tournament that implies legit fighting and then say there's something else more important than it."
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:18 pm


Mr Crawley
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rofl rofl rofl

you haven't said anything legitimately funny in a while...

but this...

this made laugh irl.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:18 pm


The Thunder Tyrant
You know what was a real robbery?

WHEN CRAWLEY THREW THE FIGHT IN THE FINALS AND WE LOST.

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Pocket wouldn't acknowledge my massive d**k size.

So I lost my cool, bro. =( I'm sorry.
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