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Zou Kraze

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:04 pm


On and Exhibit D


Vintrict approved of the former staff...

@ Yummy sure thing.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:06 pm


King Bug
I pretty much get docked points every year for playing KB too tanky.

Every year they approve him having armor for skin and no real appreciation of pain.

which is retarded...

That's not a mistake if it's done EVERY year.

Zou Kraze

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The Thunder Tyrant

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:13 pm


Exhibit A

Team Wimminz vs (and I quote) Bitchy hoes

Judges make those voting polls... 1 point towards a swayed decision in a supposedly objective.


There's always voting polls for every match of every HoH. They do not influence grading. Check previous years. Not even remotely evidence for rigging.

Moving on.

Exhibit B

Post 3/17 of Ryke the same thing her character says in this post is the same verdict Lucid got from the judges for the fight. Power spamming.

Now this particular tid bit is up for debate but ...
If you allow someone into the tournament with powers and then b***h at them for using said powers... trolololol. Especially if said powers are akin to physical damage... huehuehuehue.

That's like telling people at a SF tournament... you can only hadouken a maximum of ten times in a round.

Even more lolzy... his fighting a chick with a stun-gun mace.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.


..Not evidence of rigging either. At worst, it's evidence that a judge might have made a shitty call. I'd have to actually sit down and read the fight - and the actual judgment (neither of which you've provided, even though the former is in the HoH archives as are any judge calls within the fight, and grades are PMed out..) - to know what to make of it.

But like I said, just because a judge call went against someone doesn't mean the judge is rigging it in favor of the other fighter. If you and I have a fight and need a judge to step in, the fact that the judge sides with you against my argument, isn't even an implicit statement of favoritism. Again, one of those "It didn't go my way so it must be rigged" instances, although I'd have to actually sit down and look at the fight and the judges' statements to know.

At best, I'd say you have evidence of a judge maybe making a poor call, which is entirely possible. Not really evidence of rigging or favoritism, since you're not actually providing evidence, so much as you are saying something happened and presenting it as per your interpretation, rather than strictly as evidence to be viewed by other parties to make a decision themselves.

Exhibit C

Kat never got carded for exessive taunting which is blatant through-out the fight

Coaching from Cog while we were in vent

or OOC misconduct which was also blatant.


Excessive taunting is rarely ever given out, it usually requires something pretty extreme, i.e. more than s**t talking. Then again, you're also not providing any specific examples of how or where she taunted to the extent that it could be construed of excessive, so.. see above where "you're just saying so and so happened and presenting it as per your interpretation, rather than providing evidence and allowing people to make a decision for themselves.:

Secondly, Cog and Kat have lived together for as long as they've ever been in the tournament. Why would he coach her over Vent when he could do so face to face, or right over her shoulder? It would make absolutely zero sense to coach her where any of us could hear it. I was in Vent plenty in 2009, and didn't hear him telling her what to do in the fight as near as I can recall. In either case you're just saying it happened and aren't providing any proof, meaning it's not relevant.

At best, that would be an issue to have with Cog and Kat, not with the judges.

Also no evidence provided for "OOC misconduct." What does that constitute, when and where did it happen, if it happened at all?

So far we're 0/3 on rigging, and 1/3 on the 2009 crew maybe making a shitty decision.

You're not really entertaining the argument because you don't really have an argument to begin with. It's more appropriate to flip the statement and say that I'm humoring the situation even though it's pretty obvious that there's no actual evidence for the accusation.

At best, you have an interpretation of events. That's not conclusive evidence. That's not even evidence. Like I said, at this rate I might as well just proclaim myself the King of England, it'd have as much evidence as what you're saying now.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:17 pm


The Thunder Tyrant

Wait... wait wait...
Yor argument is that it is NOT rigged... yet you haven't read enough of the fights over the years to determine such conclusions???

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Vintrict
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:19 pm


Colonel Iyam A Heita
On and Exhibit D


Vintrict approved of the former staff...

@ Yummy sure thing.

Well, I always felt there was some bias. As much as I enjoyed HoH and like reading its fights, from the perspective of a judge, I felt like one team could have won over the other in some circumstances.

Such as Mata Leon vs. Frozen Flame in '08. I still think Mata should have won that.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:22 pm


Dude I'm not gonna sit here and quote a s**t ton of old text to make a point to you that won't change anything...including your opinion.

That's a lot of work for zero gain.

To put a rest to this because it's tedious now...

You feel how you will about my statement. Don't care anymore.

All I know is that... if only a handful of people think the thing is fair out of the vast numbers who have participated in it. That's a clear-cut sign.

GTB IV... HoH '08 the highlight years of these respective tournaments due ti it being their biggest turn-outs and yet in the years to follow, they significant drop in participation.

Cause...when something is done right and is perceived to be fair... people stop attending lol.

Zou Kraze

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Samuel Tyson

Dangerous Prophet

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:28 pm


So who wants to smoke a blunt and watch Pulp Fiction?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:32 pm


Quick, first three responses dictate what I do!


Do I make a judge call and fight for the right to PAAAAAARRRRTAAAY stab?

Or do I...

ROLL WITH IT!

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Zou Kraze

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:33 pm


King Bug


ROLL WITH IT!

Don't tarnish the beauty that is you...
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:35 pm


Lucid Red Herring
The Thunder Tyrant

Wait... wait wait...
Yor argument is that it is NOT rigged... yet you haven't read enough of the fights over the years to determine such conclusions???


Google "burden of proof." If you make a statement of fact, then upon refutation you have to provide evidence. If I say "Earth is the third planet it from the Sun." And you say "No it isn't" or "Prove it", then I would say "There's Mercury, then Venus, then Earth. Therefore, Earth is the third planet." That's burden of proof - you make a statement, you have to back it up.

Pretty straightforward, not that complex of a concept. Heita made a statement, I refuted it and pointed out a lack of evidence at which point a statement of fact would become invalid unless there was hard evidence. Pretty basic logic. I'm not making an argument, I'm refuting one.

Also, I was a judge in 2010 and in the finals in 2009 (which, if you want to check, comes from my character breaking his boot off in the a** of every opponent he met AND two Eliminators, not from favoritism), and still have access to the Noah account, so.. like I said, if there had definitely been evidence of tampering or favoritism, I would have seen it. As would the rest of the 2010 staff. And the 2011 staff. And the 2012 staff, many of whom (from 2010 onward) are new faces.

Heita: It's not a "handful" of people who think it's fair. Every year that the tournament has run at capacity, it has had 64 people in it. Out of those 64, there are only a very small number of people who make any accusations of favoritism each year. Consider: if you were right, and only a small number of participants actually believed it to be relatively fair.. why would it run strongly for 5+ years?

But, like you said, there's no point in arguing it - you're going to interpret it however you want, regardless of what actual facts may or may not be present.

Like I said, I don't think any tournament is staff. It's possible, even probable, that a judge made a poor call in Setto's fight.

But trying to stretch THAT into an accusation of favoritism is is a little silly, and suffice to say that it's a very weak premise for such a statement.

The Thunder Tyrant


Vintrict
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:38 pm


Darth, they did a lot of their messaging on msn and other ways outside of Gaia. I'm not trying to say Heita's right, but I'm saying he's not wrong, either.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:41 pm


Favoritism is a fact of HoH. Always has been.

There was favoritism when Cog got a 20, there was favoritism for Sokoya this year, there's favoritism for DARE. You don't really try and argue it because it's just a fact of HoH.

That being said, there are conscious efforts being made/in mind/worked on to improve the tournament. People are being recruited outside of the general "in" club of Levi. I expect that the next HoH is going to be a lot different from any previous version and the least biased, and least Levi-y of the HoHs.

Mileage may vary etc etc

Knight Breaker


The Thunder Tyrant

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:41 pm


I'm not saying he's wrong either. Not necessarily in the strictest sense.

I'm saying that his accusation is lacking in evidence, meaning that - until we have actual, hard evidence - it's not fair or right to run around claiming the tournament is rigged.. when you can't even prove it. A statement of fact without evidence is invalid. In that way he's wrong, because you can't say "The tournament's rigged" if you don't have evidence. Otherwise we may as well accuse anyone who beats us in a match of cheating.

Like I said, I can tell everybody I'm the King of England, but if I don't have any proof.. why should you believe me?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:44 pm


The Thunder Tyrant


what is discussed in the the judging quarters that is off limit to the public?

Because as far as I am concerned signs of favoritism can be shown in the voting poll example alone. My team didn't register as the bitchy hoes... we registered as the save-a-hos.

and since you wanna use "REAL WORLD LOGIC AND LEGAL PREMISES" to refute my statement. That alone is enough grounds to debunk the legitimacy of objective and fairness of the tournament.

Not to mention what Crawley stated previously.

Also my example given on power spamming or abuse. When you are talking about competition there is no such thing as limited use of an ability.

Lastly. You, yourself argued that rubric leaves room for bias... if having a bias isn't rigging something intentionally, especially if your bias isn't documented. I don't know what the ******** is.

Zou Kraze

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Zou Kraze

Unsealed Aggressor

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:50 pm


Colonel Iyam A Heita
YummyBiscuits


I've heard rumors of it being rigged. But is I seriously ******** rigged?

I...
Honestly don't know.

Never been behind the scenes and thusly I won't s**t on the people who are.

But I can say that from personal experience...

There has been some fishy judge calls.

I have been apart of two. 08 and 09.
Got shafted in both years by some judging ******** to say we deserved to win but the way we lost was...disgusting.


Also this ^... you might've missed it in your pursuit of shenanigans.
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