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Gaia's world martial artist tournament that pits the best fighters against one another for the title of Gaia's Best! 

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Hi Im Reiko

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:32 pm


My take on the "rigged" thing is simply this...

Being that HoH was an event born of Leviathan Stadium... the judges were naturally more into Leviathan Stadium's style of execution when it came to roleplaying...

So those who were LS bred or assimilated did better than those who were foreign to its style.

As HoH began to be judged by people who came out of other corners of gaia's rp-sphere more styles received more notice but only in recent years did LS's stylistic influence on HoH begin to have less of an impact.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:39 pm


I enjoyed the stylized rp fighting they did there because it was like my own.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:41 pm


Mr Crawley
My take on the "rigged" thing is simply this...

Being that HoH was an event born of Leviathan Stadium... the judges were naturally more into Leviathan Stadium's style of execution when it came to roleplaying...

So those who were LS bred or assimilated did better than those who were foreign to its style.

As HoH began to be judged by people who came out of other corners of gaia's rp-sphere more styles received more notice but only in recent years did LS's stylistic influence on HoH begin to have less of an impact.

This ^ is basically what I felt as well... the only thing I would add is that I think at times... they would "rig" for certain matches to come into fruition for their entertainment purposes.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:52 pm


Colonel Iyam A Heita

They are your friends... it makes sense for you to defend them.

That being said. A mistake by definition is:

1. An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness.
2. A misconception or misunderstanding.

I think you use the word too liberally because I knew the "mistakes" in judgement were going to be made before they were made.

Losing isn't the issue, it's how and why we lost I have the problem with.

If I had an issue with losing, Fen wouldn't have my balls.


The Thunder Tyrant
there has never been any evidence to suggest that there has been any rigging.. other than people complaining when they lose.


It's almost like I anticipated that there wouldn't be any evidence.

Funny how that works. Funny how that's how it always works when it comes down to the accusation of the tournament being rigged, when it comes down to it people have nothing but the accusation, with no evidence to speak of.

Don't confuse "doing a poor job" with "intentionally rigging the tournament in someone's favor." One is just not doing your job as well as you ought to, the other is a serious ethical breach.

If you want to argue that the staff in 2009 did a poor job, feel free: chances are, you'd be right to some degree. But there's a big difference between rigging a tournament and just doing a poor job, and dollars to dimes says you couldn't prove the former if your life depended on it because the tournament's staff changes yearly and there has never been any evidence to suggest that rigging has ever taken place.

If you want to accuse the tournament of being rigged, then I'll proclaim myself the King of England: our statements will have about the same basis in fact.

If you want to discuss whether or not the crew in 2009 did a good or bad job.. that's an entirely different matter, and a subject on which a person could make some fairly plausible arguments or discussions.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:03 pm


The Thunder Tyrant


It's almost like I anticipated that there wouldn't be any evidence.

Funny how that works. Funny how that's how it always works when it comes down to the accusation of the tournament being rigged, when it comes down to it people have nothing but the accusation, with no evidence to speak of.

You are far too intelligent of man to use such inferior argument tactic.

How can I have proof if:

1) The judging staff was kept a secret.
2) The judging committee thread is kept out of public view.
3) I have no means of getting to the first two.

But more important then any of that. I don't need to have proof for an opinion.
Yummy asked me my thoughts on whether or not HoH is really rigged. I gave them.

whether or not they are valid is inconsequential because at the end of the day...this is all make believe.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:07 pm


Are you guys seriously debating about whether or not the largest Tournament on Gaia is ******** retards, I swear.

Better Than Gore

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:09 pm


It is rigged. KB is OP. Walkin all over dorfs.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:09 pm


Unspeakable Tragedy
Are you guys seriously debating about whether or not the largest Tournament on Gaia is ******** retards, I swear.

what proof do you have to make this claim? I want to see their yearly revenue, their annual projections and other legal business jargon!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:13 pm


Unspeakable Tragedy
Are you guys seriously debating about whether or not the largest Tournament on Gaia is ******** retards, I swear.

The GTB isn't rigged. biggrin
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:17 pm


EVERYTHING is Rigged!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:18 pm


Vintrict

The GTB isn't rigged. biggrin

The ******** it ain't lol....

MY BOY TRES LOST TO A KID! A ******** KID!

The greatest contender of all time...

The Ali of Gaia

Lost to a Kid playing amazon...

shhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:21 pm


And all of the above doubts, questions, and concerns is why i compete as little as possible in major events like that. That is why i stay in my nice lil Rf, up in my mountain. nice and safe. mrgreen

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:25 pm


To be fair the kid routinely kills colossi on his own.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:25 pm


Samayou Tamashii
And all of the above doubts, questions, and concerns is why i compete as little as possible in major events like that. That is why i stay in my nice lil Rf, up in my mountain. nice and safe. mrgreen

You smell like Tilapia

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The Thunder Tyrant

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:26 pm


Colonel Iyam A Heita

You are far too intelligent of man to use such inferior argument tactic.

How can I have proof if:

1) The judging staff was kept a secret.
2) The judging committee thread is kept out of public view.
3) I have no means of getting to the first two.

But more important then any of that. I don't need to have proof for an opinion.
Yummy asked me my thoughts on whether or not HoH is really rigged. I gave them.

whether or not they are valid is inconsequential because at the end of the day...this is all make believe.


It's not an inferior tactic, it's fact: you're making an argument without any basis. Even if you had no evidence, you could develop reasoning and a line of logic to support what you're saying, but neither of those exist either.

1) No it wasn't; the staff was listed on the front page of the recruitment thread, are listed as Crew for the guild each year, and make no move to hide their identity. Don't believe me? Go look at the HoH 2009 recruiting thread, or even the 2010 when I was a judge. Everybody's listed on the front page in one of the posts as staff. The identities of staff have never been hidden.

2) So's the judging subforum for the GTB. The staff changes every year for HoH, and many times completely new faces are brought in; so the contents of the subforum are not tightly held by a single group of people; many of the judges (myself included) were never active in Levi, and only popped up as late as 2008.

3) You can find the former, and I've seen the latter and have - at the request of multiple people - looked through it on more than one occasion. In fact, it was either you or Arian who asked me after 2010, when I had been a judge and still had access to the tournament's records. If you want, you can ask Hael, he has them now - or I can reinstate myself to staff and go look.

Yummy asked if the tournament was rigged. That's a yes or no question and is based on fact, not opinion; that's like saying you have an opinion on whether or not the Earth revolves around the Sun. The answer is no, and has been no for every year the tournament has ran, even if some of the decisions made in some years have been less than stellar from a standpoint of logic.

Like I said, if you want to talk about whether or not the 2009 staff did a good job.. be my guest. But you can get out of here with that weak-a** rigged s**t, because no one - in the past seven years - has been able to even produce an argument for the tournament being rigged.

If anyone had been, it would have been done. Hell, I'd have done it. I'll out anyone who breaches the code of ethics that I think judges are supposed to have, whether I like them or not, much in the same way that I'll defend anyone with a legitimate complaint, whether or not I like them.

If I had ever thought that anyone had significantly rigged, or attempted to rig, the tournament.. I'd have said as much, and I'd have probably made a case to make sure they were never allowed to staff again, because even though I don't take roleplay serious, I do take the issue of being fair and ethical serious.
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