religion

[the grey seer]

it blends togethoer after a while  

[Yukimura D Sanada]

radio paste

Yukimura D Sanada

radio paste

Yukimura D Sanada

chatholics literally worship a cracker study it more

Yukimura D Sanada

if you say you study religion you should be a little less bias and study the facts

Please don't take offense, but you might want to practice what you preach.

If you are as well versed in religion as you say, you should realize that to "worship a cracker" is totally against Catholic teaching, which forbids worshiping any sort of image or symbol. Granted, the concept they actually believe in regarding the "cracker", Transubstantiation, is something I find very hard to accept, but regardless it isn't correct to say they worship a cracker.

Personally I find the fact that Catholics truly believe the host turns into Jesus Christ's actual body and blood even more insane. XD Blind faith or ignorance? Who knows.

some days, some nights some live, some die in the way of the samurai

i do practice what i preach and yes i supose saying they worship a cracker was a bad way to put it but you understand that what they do goes against the teachings of their own bible as you stated they arent suposed to have any idols but they have all these things about praying to mary and the beleif that the cracker and wine literally become the body and blood of christ. christians use it a symbol but the catholics used it as an idol but claim that they dont.

some fight, some bleed sun up to sun down the sons of a battlecry

Catholics do *not* use it as a symbol. They believe that what they are consuming is in fact the body and blood of Christ. To us, this seems ridiculous and we assume it must represent the body and blood, but they believe that the priest actually turned it into the body and blood. And Mary is a person, not an idol/symbol. An idol is defined as "an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship". Mary is not an image or representation, she is a person.

You may think that the crucifix is an image/representation, but Catholics use the crucifix as what i can only describe as a reminder while they direct their worship to the person, Jesus Christ, or God, or whoever they are praying to. The crucifix is not the object being worshiped, the figure behind the crucifix is.

I don't mean to split hairs, and while it may seem like I'm sticking up for Catholics, I find them as unsavory as the next person does. XD I just get frustrated by how many people make mistakes in their criticisms.

some days, some nights some live, some die in the way of the samurai

i agree with what you are saying but they do worship mary they say there however many hail marys and to beleive that the crackers they eat acctually become his real flesh is against what the bible says catholocism was created by the romans as a form of control over the followers of christ catholics are not christian they do not beleive in the same faith they beleive in a FALSE DOCTRINE which the bible warns its people about and most american churches that claim christianity are in fact followers of false doctrine as well look up willow creek ministrys and you will find (if you know the bible and religion well) how corrupt it really has become and its not widely known .. i have been lucky enough to grow up and watch churches destroy themselves by fasle doctine
i have been excomunicated from 2 churches in my life and during the events that lead to me being kicked out i saw how the church gave in to its coruption and didnt correct itself ive been to over 50 churches in my life and not just christian ive studied religion and when i talk about the chatholics i do know what im talking about first hand .. and having jesus on the cross inst just a reminder they bow to it and kiss the feet thats worshiping they do have false idols even tho their bible says they shouldnt they pass them off as symbols to remind them but no statue was ever to be made of god go back to exodus and read it

some fight, some bleed sun up to sun down the sons of a battlecry

 

[radio paste]

Well of course, they are corrupt, just like most religions eventually become. I was just trying to say that the beliefs themselves are not contradictory. Believers of Catholicism are notoriously uneducated about their own religion, outside of the realm of the New Testament stories they hear in the mass.  

[the grey seer]

ive never been excommunacated i left the church on my on accord due 2 ***** getting off 2 ez  

[Qwenloswen]

Catholics, crackers and symbolism aside I have to ask in what sense we are talking about religion because it is, in effect, two different things. On the one hand it is simply the worship of a god or the supernatural but on the other it is the institutionalized system through which a person does said worship or gains beliefs.

The former, as an idea or concept, can inherently be neither good nor bad simply due to what it is; namely a belief in something. If I believed in, say, one of the ancient pantheons it would mean nothing to anyone else or as Jefferson put it-

Quote:

“…it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

It is in the latter that the problems can occur because it is a man-made thing. As has already been covered in previous posts humankind is unable to be completely good and as such all institutions will be flawed in some way whether glaring or negligible.

 

[the grey seer]

well arguement  

[WeHappyFew]

very true! by the way, ultimately, it's insulting for the holy bread to be called a "cracker", talk how you want about it,just don't call it a cracker, please.  

[the grey seer]

no offense simpy byt it's a cracker from what i've seen  

[Skizio]

Religion is not bad or flawed because real or not it gives people something to lean on, and that on it's own is a good thing.

Problems with religion begin when religios leaders are given positions of authority within the government. Than corruption becomes widespread, not of the religion but those who "preach" it.  

[the grey seer]

i never saw it that way ? but still  

[WeHappyFew]

I have a question, i'm currently trying to really know why i should be catholic and a question comes to my mind. The definition of a "cult" is a group of people that don't believe something mainstream. Does that make the christian, or any other church in general, a widespread cult?  

[Skizio]

luvSimpson3

I have a question, i'm currently trying to really know why i should be catholic and a question comes to my mind. The definition of a "cult" is a group of people that don't believe something mainstream. Does that make the christian, or any other church in general, a widespread cult?

It's hard to define a term like that into one sentence/word.
Read the wikipedia article on it if you're interested.  

[WeHappyFew]

Skizio

luvSimpson3

I have a question, i'm currently trying to really know why i should be catholic and a question comes to my mind. The definition of a "cult" is a group of people that don't believe something mainstream. Does that make the christian, or any other church in general, a widespread cult?

It's hard to define a term like that into one sentence/word.
Read the wikipedia article on it if you're interested.

Well, according to the definitions that the article gives,. most of them lead to believe that any church could be described as a cult when you think about it.  

[the grey seer]

they're all cults  

[WeHappyFew]

True enough, but in light of the literal definition, what does the church have to say? Although the word "cults" technically has no negative connotation, it still would be considered an insult to the church, so what can they say, i asked my religion teacher and she said that....she'd answer me next class