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 Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:05 pm
Cobra_X Hey Alex,
How is it your character will be able to get rid of fire in a "flick-and-a-wink" ? I knew it was gonna be either you, or Thymen to bring that up, But it's simple really, I'll explain it nice and slow for you: Fire needs air, but what if a fire is put under a massive pressure wave where the air is being pushed out? Fire goes out. This is best seen in a truly massive airburst explosion, in which the combustible ignites and is subsequently put out by the pressure wave. So, what would hgappen if Sam intensified the weight of the moisture in the airr near a source of fire rapidly? It would no doubt create a pressure wave would it not? Might even be enough to put out a fire? That's what worries me about the ice guys though... They could just pull moisture from the air and freeze it...
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:46 pm
Alexandria Vance Cobra_X Hey Alex,
How is it your character will be able to get rid of fire in a "flick-and-a-wink" ? I knew it was gonna be either you, or Thymen to bring that up, But it's simple really, I'll explain it nice and slow for you: Fire needs air, but what if a fire is put under a massive pressure wave where the air is being pushed out? Fire goes out. This is best seen in a truly massive airburst explosion, in which the combustible ignites and is subsequently put out by the pressure wave. So, what would hgappen if Sam intensified the weight of the moisture in the airr near a source of fire rapidly? It would no doubt create a pressure wave would it not? Might even be enough to put out a fire? That's what worries me about the ice guys though... They could just pull moisture from the air and freeze it... Yes but we also need to remember that the scientific knowledge in this time is limited, Ice elementals may not necessarily understand that moisture is in the air, and therefore may not realize they can manipulate it. Now, is Havessa were to remember her past completely, because she has that knowledge and understanding, something like that would be possible (not freezing water, but using science to her advantage.) But for the sake of fairness, she has amnesia.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:40 pm
Actually, moisture in the air was why I made it so that Allure could create ice at will and why so many others couldn't. The few able to do that that I'll include manage to freeze a small part of the moisture in the air and that makes it much easier to create more ice due to the now created cold so they simply add to the original and have the ice expand to the shape and size they desire. Most ice demons can't do it though. I doubt those that could would know how to word what they do anyways.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:18 am
The problem I have, as Havessa has said, is not the science of it (though I would partially question that as well), but more so, how would your character know it. I mean, your character has only recently begun to even KNOW he has a power...then all of the sudden you are talking about flying and putting out fires, both of which are not things you would normally be able to do.
...In fact, Gravity doesn't even let you fly. If you use a your power to decrease the effect of gravity around a person, or even an area...they wouldn't be able to fly. Think of the astronauts on the moon, They could rise in the air, but there was nothing to propel them in a direction without some kind of kick off. The best you could do is jump really high...and if you shoot your gun, the kick off from that is going to send you flying backwards.
These are all things he wouldn't know unless he'd tried them. People around this time have NO CONCEPT of what gravity really is, or how they can act or operate in a low gravity environment. It simply wasn't thought about. Your character could certainly learn these things through experimentation...but if he has just learned about them, I dont think he would have the knowledge you are claiming he would have.
I'm not trying to down you here...I actually think your element is very interesting and is a cool concept, but there are certain realities to th situation that need to be addressed. Something like Fire and Earth is simple...gravity, a bit more complex.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:39 am
Little Kokeshi Doll Yes but we also need to remember that the scientific knowledge in this time is limited, Ice elementals may not necessarily understand that moisture is in the air, and therefore may not realize they can manipulate it. Now, is Havessa were to remember her past completely, because she has that knowledge and understanding, something like that would be possible (not freezing water, but using science to her advantage.) But for the sake of fairness, she has amnesia.
People of the time may not have fully understood the physics of what was happening with water, fire, ice, and all of that, but we are a subset.
We are ELEMENTAL users, we have a connection to the earth and it's properties that others don't. Would a Water elemental not know that water was in the air? Absolutely they would! ...you can practically taste it on really humid days. Ice, as an element, is essentially a combination of Water and Wind...but somewhere in the middle. I can buy that not all Ice elemental users would understand water as well as a water elemental would, but they would at least have a basic understand of what they were doing...they would have to.
Would the average person of the time know that sand is made of finely crushed rock and other minerals? No...maybe a few could have figured it out...but Cobra would sure as hell know. Same thing with something like an Earthquake. Cobra would understand it and how they are caused and be able to reproduce it, but the average person wouldn't even have a clue.
He doesn't need to have the knowledge of the future...it's just that he has been an earth Elemental user for so long, that he has gained a specialized set of knowledge through manipulation,control, and experimentation that the average person could never gain at the time.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:01 am
Cobra's 2nd last post- *ahem* "I have theories on this though..." ringing any bells? are you saying that I have to stick simply to what you know? Can I not form my own theories? I use the term "fly" the same way I do "Shell", meaning it isn't exactly flying, but to the common person it would appear as such, no?And I'm fully aware of how to act in a low gravity enviroment, one of my D&D campaigns took place in 1000'x1000',1000' spherical room that was completely zero-G firing my bow caused recoil that made flip through the air until I hit a wall, swinging my sword and hitting something caused me to rotate in the opposite direction. But our characters had no idea what was happening, and this was centuries before the THEORY OF GRAVITY. That and; you're going based off of what your character knows of Sam, which is(excuse my language) ******** all. Now, I'm not trying to come down on YOU, this kind of criticsism will make me so much the better, but Cobra don't know s**t 'bout Sam.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:06 am
(damn PS3 character limit!)
Like I was saying, the only one who knows the most about Sam at this point is Havessa, because she seems to be the only one who's genuinely intrested in hearing abut him, but then again that doesn't say much, she intrested in everyone. also, what you're saying is that if you don't know about it, then it can't do anything. If I really wanted to I could turn Paris into a parkinglot, meaning flatten it, or I could kill your character under the weight of his own eye-balls. But I don't because I have no reason to and it's totally assanine to even think such a thing. AND(Last one), what you're saying in your secnd post sounds a lot like what Sam's doing now, experimentation. Like a kid with a new toy.
But thanks for this man, like I said, "I'll be so much the better for it".
(DISCLAIMER: while writing this whole rant I was rather in a cheerful disposition, not yelling, or screaming. SO don't take this as me being aggressive)
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:19 am
Just as long as you're aware of it.
Seems very strange to me however that yesterday your character didn't know he even had powers, and today he has the power to crush the world. A bit fast imo.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:26 am
you still aren't picking up on the THEROY part of where I'm coming from, are you? Right now it's all just a pipe-dream, A THEORY. Sam still doesn't fully understand his own abilities, and that opens up a whole new world of freaky-weird stuff. Because he isn't limited in his knowledge of it, meaning he's free to Theorize about it.
Maybe I should have him describe what it's like to feel, taste, touch, see, and smell the weight of the world. And, for good measure, let's throw in his life story too... because that's essentially what you're asking. You're curious about Sam, But COBRA isn't.
I can only hope that you understand that now...
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:04 am
Nha, you're right on the theory part, I was incorrect in assuming that.
All the other stuff though, I don't know where it's coming from. I actually think it would be a good idea for Sam to explain that at some point, if only in his own mind. there is nothing wrong with describing your character's connection to his element, cobra has done it many times and explained it to other people...it's actually sound role-playing to do so.
Not that its necessary, but its not out of place to do so either. I'm sure whatever you do will be fine, I just wanted to make sure you were thinking of what gravity can do and how it affects the environment, but you're obviously more well versed with it then I had originally thought.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:05 am
Alexandria,
You shouldn't feel offended/attacked so quickly.
Also, Really, just the "I knew it was gonna be either you, or Thymen to bring that up" says enough already.
If you know people will complain about it... Then maybe something's wrong with the idea, instead of those people?
I too found it odd, that one day he knew nothing about his abilities.
And the other, he knows all about it.
(And those were IN REAL days. It's still the same day in the RP...As far as I know)
Also. I'm sure Sam COULDN'T do all that. Because he only practised for.. Maybe.. 2 hours or so?
Do you think all other elementals were able to control their abilities that fast?
Ofcourse not.
It takes a few years to control them good.
Ace, for example, trained for 18 years. And he's still discovering new things. And hasn't mastered everything yet either.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:06 am
Also. This is not reality.
'Fcourse you can fly with gravity. wink
Ace can blast fire out of his boots without burning them. And fly because of it too.
Doesn't sound that realistic now, does it?
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:12 am
To the above Thymen :
...I think I covered that she wasn't being aggressive, so no worries there. To the other things, she isnt saying Sam can do them, at least not yet, more so that he has seen it and can understand a premise, such as
"I can levitate this knife somehow, why can't levitate myself?"
...something like that. The fire I'm not sure about, but he could have easily tried it on a candle, or a torch or something.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:33 pm
Thymen Alexandria, You shouldn't feel offended/attacked so quickly. Also, Really, just the "I knew it was gonna be either you, or Thymen to bring that up" says enough already. If you know people will complain about it... Then maybe something's wrong with the idea, instead of those people? I too found it odd, that one day he knew nothing about his abilities. And the other, he knows all about it. (And those were IN REAL days. It's still the same day in the RP...As far as I know) Also. I'm sure Sam COULDN'T do all that. Because he only practised for.. Maybe.. 2 hours or so? Do you think all other elementals were able to control their abilities that fast? Ofcourse not. It takes a few years to control them good. Ace, for example, trained for 18 years. And he's still discovering new things. And hasn't mastered everything yet either. never mind, I just caught Cobra's post. Thanks by the way Cobra.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:08 am
Suggestion!
Instead of inmediatly heading to DeLeon's castle as soon as we arrive in Lyon...
Why don't we stay in Lyon for a while?
We could overpower one or two fire tribe's members. And steal their clothes.
Then Ace (fire) and.. Yuuske .. (Since I assume that the fire tribe only accepts men?) could see what everything looks like. So that they can explain it later, And so that everyone knows where to search.
We could all train a bit more.
And maybe we could even find some more supplies for armor editing. And more bullets.
Then, after two IN RP weeks, the news would've spreak to Lyon too..And we'd head for DeLeon?
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