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 Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:20 am
Steel Sterling NEW question! === This one is from TOS, the original Trek. We just talked about "Darmok", the NextGen episode where the Enterprise captain faced an alien captain one-on-one on a planet. It was partly based on a TOS episode. A) What was the name of the episode? B) What race did Kirk's opposing captain belong to? C) How did Kirk win? Best 2 out of 3 to post, please. A) "Arena" was the name of the episode B) It was a Gorn Captain. They accused the Federation of intruding into their space, when an Earth outpost was built on Cestus III. C) He built a type of cannon, using the natural resources the Metrons provided on the planet. If I remember correctly, he used a hollowed out Bamboo trunk, wrapped with a vine. Inside the cannon he used coal for gunpowder, sulfur as a type of ignitor, and the diamonds for projectiles. I think he used a piece of vine for the fuse, and the sulfur to ignite the fuse. He rubbed two sticks together for the fire. If I remember correctly.
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:04 pm
Matiko-san kyle stabell Steel Sterling Thanks kindly. Ok, for now, a review of the rules. These should be the same rules as before, more or less. (If I left out something, tell me and I'll edit.) In no particular order....
D) Question subjects:
A question must be "fair". "Fair" is defined, for this thread, as
follows:
The answer must be one that a normal human could reasonably be
expected to remember from a normal viewing of the episode or
movie, so long as he was paying attention. If it requires slow tracking,
rewinding, or freezeframing, it is not "fair".
Furthermore, I shall repeat: it must be from an episode or movie.
If it was from any other source, it is not "fair".
(This includes a book based on an episode-if the question is on something
that was not in the episode, but was in the book, it is not "fair".)....I know this is and old issue for me but I would like to have the "no book rule" reconsidered seing as how on avrage MOST (over 50%) star trek fans read the books, also alot of review on the series' to make up the questions can easily be found in the star trek encyclopedia. As a side note all of the star trek books published by Pocket Books has been introduced into the Star Trek time line... Books are non-canon, they don't count. if the books are introduced into the time line it IS canon
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:10 pm
Steel Sterling Finally, the ground rule established by the Great Bird of the Galaxy himself, Gene Roddenberry, is that the books are non-canonical. Far be it from me to overrule the Great Bird of the Galaxy. If that is true then why do all the offical time lines and books regarding the TV series' include info only found in the books?
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:48 am
Steel Sterling The one thing that unites us all in this guild is a love for the Star Trek tv series' and books. [...] I COULD really open the field and pose questions on the cartoon series, which WAS released by PARAMOUNT. However, it would be unfair for the same reason. I saw some of those... but I can't remember anything about them. Steel Sterling Star Trek fans come from all over the world, not just the USA. Gaia Online members come from all over the world, not just the USA. Many countries have limited access to the books, or charge large amounts for the translations if you CAN find them. Shall we now ghettoize our fellow fans? They're already making the sacrifice of reading and posting in English- or using translation programs for doing the same. I'm NOT ready to do this. I'm from Argentina. I can tell you that it's imposible to find the books in here... the rate exchange is too high so importing books is not an option. And the books are not translated to Spanish (not to my knowleadge at least). I've read only one book. Day of Honor... I don't remember the exact name either, but was the DS9 one... I will say this, I don't mind if someone ask a question about the books, but then if no one answers he shouldn't say anything... It's already hard to remember the series... since Voyager ended I didn't continue to watch the chapters... I only trip them on them on TV from time to time.
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:50 am
kyle stabell Steel Sterling Finally, the ground rule established by the Great Bird of the Galaxy himself, Gene Roddenberry, is that the books are non-canonical. Far be it from me to overrule the Great Bird of the Galaxy. If that is true then why do all the offical time lines and books regarding the TV series' include info only found in the books? I don't remember the encyclopedia mentioning the books... maybe is a new edition? 'cause mine is several years old but I'm sure doesn't have any info found only in the books.
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:56 am
Maddy kyle stabell Steel Sterling Finally, the ground rule established by the Great Bird of the Galaxy himself, Gene Roddenberry, is that the books are non-canonical. Far be it from me to overrule the Great Bird of the Galaxy. If that is true then why do all the offical time lines and books regarding the TV series' include info only found in the books? I don't remember the encyclopedia mentioning the books... maybe is a new edition? 'cause mine is several years old but I'm sure doesn't have any info found only in the books. The CHRONOLOGY, produced by Paramount, makes a special point that all the books are non-canonical. In fact, they only include information on ONE exception to the "tv show and movie" rule- ONE episode of the cartoons. They allow that exception ONLY for two reasons. One, it was written by one of the official writers from the show. (Making the story of equivalent quality as the show.) Two, it's the ONLY source of some details of Spock's childhood. Three, when compared to the rest of the Chronology, it fits smoothly and does not contradict anything in the timeline OR the shows/movies. They also say outright that Roddenberry doesn't count the books. (Star Wars has the same rule.) The Nitpicker's Guild has a ground rule of the same, except they also allow the official reference books released by Paramount- ship's schematics and so on. They do NOT count the books, either. Finally, I've made my ruling, I've explained my ruling, and, so far, the entire crew has either accepted or endorsed it. The rule will stand. I'm invoking rule "I". Further attempts to debate this will result in painsticks.
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:00 am
Matiko-san Steel Sterling NEW question! === This one is from TOS, the original Trek. We just talked about "Darmok", the NextGen episode where the Enterprise captain faced an alien captain one-on-one on a planet. It was partly based on a TOS episode. A) What was the name of the episode? B) What race did Kirk's opposing captain belong to? C) How did Kirk win? Best 2 out of 3 to post, please. A) "Arena" was the name of the episode B) It was a Gorn Captain. They accused the Federation of intruding into their space, when an Earth outpost was built on Cestus III. C) He built a type of cannon, using the natural resources the Metrons provided on the planet. If I remember correctly, he used a hollowed out Bamboo trunk, wrapped with a vine. Inside the cannon he used coal for gunpowder, sulfur as a type of ignitor, and the diamonds for projectiles. I think he used a piece of vine for the fuse, and the sulfur to ignite the fuse. He rubbed two sticks together for the fire. If I remember correctly. CORRECT! A) "Arena" was the episode that inspired "Darmok". B) The Gorn was the alien race in question. C) Kirk made a primitive bazooka out of some diamonds, bamboo, vines, sulfur, and a coconut, and shot the Gorn. (The "coconut" reference I made was to "Gilligan's Island", where similar contraptions worked equally well. The Professor was famous for being able to make a radio out of a coconut, but not being able to get them off the island. Of course, if he did, the series was over in one episode.)
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:01 am
I'm opening up the other question for answering.
Anyone can go for it now.
I will also change the "headstart" for non-experts to TWO days.
48 hours is enough for a sporting chance.
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:51 am
Steel Sterling I also support Steel Sterling on this. I've many of the books (collected over a 12 year period) and I can tell you the details often don't match the series/movie. There's even scenes deleted from the movies included in the novelizations (such as in the first contact one, Worf asks Riker if the torpedo button is the green one although I'm sure it would be a different color as I've yet to see a green button on a federation panel). Either way, the books are non-canon (I don't think non-canonical is word Steel *wink*), and since not everyone has them, they're excluded from the trivia questions. Further debate will result in a formal warning which will be reported to Lindira. Also, please try to cut down on the amount if quoting. Remember, not everyone here is on DSL/Cable. The longer the quotes, the more the 56kers have to download to read the page due to excessive bandwidth. Thanks! *turns to Steel* I'll let you take back over on the trivia now ^_^.
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:13 pm
NEW question!
===
This is an Original Series question.
In ST:TNG, we see an episode, "The Royale".
An alien race constructed a casino, based on a pulp fiction book owned
by an Earthman, and confused for how things normally are.
A) What episode in the Original Series inspired this episode?
B) What did Bones leave behind that was such a big deal?
C) What was the book called?
D) What was wrong with Kirk's driving? smile
E) How did Kirk demonstrate the Enterprise was a serious player
if things got rough?
F) What was the planet, or the people called by the Federation?
G) What was decided would be done with the Federation's "tax"?
Answer FOUR or better to post, please.
(Ringers, please remember-48 hour headstart for the normal people.) smile
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:16 pm
Steel Sterling NEW question! This is from NextGen. Tim Russ (Tuvok) fans may know that Russ was considered for the Geordi role originally. He obviously didn't get it, but he DID play at least one role in NextGen, in one episode. When someone attempted a takeover of the Enterprise, Picard was the only crewmember onboard. (It was getting a hard radiation treatment, like fumigation. Picard was trying to leave when the takeover happened.) When he was discovered, Picard claimed to be another crewman. What's the crewman's name, and what's his duty? smile Still waiting on an answer to this. Someone will kick themself if I give the answer....
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:34 am
Steel Sterling NEW question! This is from NextGen. Tim Russ (Tuvok) fans may know that Russ was considered for the Geordi role originally. He obviously didn't get it, but he DID play at least one role in NextGen, in one episode. When someone attempted a takeover of the Enterprise, Picard was the only crewmember onboard. (It was getting a hard radiation treatment, like fumigation. Picard was trying to leave when the takeover happened.) When he was discovered, Picard claimed to be another crewman. What's the crewman's name, and what's his duty? smile I wish I knew this answer. I know the episode in question, I've seen it before, but I don't remember what name Picard used when he tried to convince Devor (Tim Russ) that he was someone else.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:33 pm
Well, can you name his job? smile
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:20 am
Steel Sterling Well, can you name his job? smile Nope...I don't remember much from that episode.
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:39 pm
Steel Sterling Maddy I don't remember the encyclopedia mentioning the books... maybe is a new edition? 'cause mine is several years old but I'm sure doesn't have any info found only in the books. Finally, I've made my ruling, I've explained my ruling, and, so far, the entire crew has either accepted or endorsed it. The rule will stand. I'm invoking rule "I". Further attempts to debate this will result in painsticks. I won't argue about this any more, but I do want to point out that it has been through books that Lt. Saavik being half Romulan is a canon fact.
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