In the big 3 (landscapes, portraits and figures), I’m not going to show you how to use every single medium, but I’ll tell you what to look for and how to figure it out in your chosen medium. Landscapes demand a lot of master copies. I’ll set something up today after putting up necessary figure drawing things for everyone. Oh! Please go over to the introductions thread when you have the time? c:
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:30 pm
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Yeah! I’ve a bunch of stuff waiting to be uploaded into that thread. c: What about gesture drawing are you having trouble with? The main pose gesture lines, or rendering the figure after the main lines?
Gesture lines are just how the pose feels. I have some good tutorials on that I’ll put up in the figure drawing thread. Personally, I just work with the rib cage and pelvis mannequin, because the non-anatomical more random gesture lines make me take too long to get to the completed figure. But there is purpose in them: they train us to intuitively FEEL a pose instead of copying via sigh size or focusing on a patch of detail, etc.
Please pop by the introductions thread? Would love to know more about your artistic goals! Also, there are some really cool videos in the “test your skills” thread in the tutorials sub forum that I hope everyone watches. They’re really important when it comes to approaching learning all this stuff. I’ll put more of that kind of thing in the mindset subforum.
Hope you like it here!
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:01 pm
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Hey everyone! Where would you like to start? Portraits, Landscapes or Figure Drawing? What are you working on right now?
Landscapes and figure drawing! I've never really practiced landscapes, and I'm not shore how to with Copics. Figure drawing because I love figure drawing emotion_awesome
Yeah! I’ve a bunch of stuff waiting to be uploaded into that thread. c: What about gesture drawing are you having trouble with? The main pose gesture lines, or rendering the figure after the main lines?
Gesture lines are just how the pose feels. I have some good tutorials on that I’ll put up in the figure drawing thread. Personally, I just work with the rib cage and pelvis mannequin, because the non-anatomical more random gesture lines make me take too long to get to the completed figure. But there is purpose in them: they train us to intuitively FEEL a pose instead of copying via sigh size or focusing on a patch of detail, etc.
Please pop by the introductions thread? Would love to know more about your artistic goals! Also, there are some really cool videos in the “test your skills” thread in the tutorials sub forum that I hope everyone watches. They’re really important when it comes to approaching learning all this stuff. I’ll put more of that kind of thing in the mindset subforum.
Hope you like it here!
Honestly for me it's the main pose gesture lines! My professor hasn't really explained anything and kind of expects us to just know how to do it off the bat and I'm so lost in the way of how to express the feeling in the pose. I also don't completely understand the rendering process of the figure after because I'm a very slow learner when it comes to full figures honestly.
I would love to see the tutorials you post! So basically the gesture line is to show the bodies expression in a sense? What if the figure you are drawing is stiff though? Are the curves of the spine still supposed to be shown or is it just a straight line? I've semi-learned that some gesture lines are like "c, s, or i" shape wise but that's about all I know and I'm not sure it's 100% correct.
I will check the introductions thread out now! Thank you so much for being kind to me and introducing me to the guild like you are I really appreciate it! I will probably ask a lot of questions as I am eager to learn more about art and the different skills that go into it all.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:20 pm
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Oh, I hate it when people do that! I mean, what do you pay them for! lol I'll work on that specific thing today. It will be the first post in the figure drawing thread.
Yes, you're spot on. Hmm, no, not really. Gesture lines follow the front of the ribcage over the chest/breasts, then again in the curvature of the lower back. So it will always have a slight curve. Gesture lines don't exactly follow the spine (which is what makes it frustrating for my analytical brain lol). If that makes sense?
Also, remember you're not a camera - an artist draws what she sees, what there really is, and what she wish she saw. So our ideals and things are translated into the work as well. It's important to allow ourselves that freedom too.
You're very welcome. I'm really happy that you're here <3 Please never hesitate to ask. I'll do my best to answer it all. Hope you find the mega threads here useful too!
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:25 pm
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Oh, I hate it when people do that! I mean, what do you pay them for! lol I'll work on that specific thing today. It will be the first post in the figure drawing thread.
Yes, you're spot on. Hmm, no, not really. Gesture lines follow the front of the ribcage over the chest/breasts, then again in the curvature of the lower back. So it will always have a slight curve. Gesture lines don't exactly follow the spine (which is what makes it frustrating for my analytical brain lol). If that makes sense?
Also, remember you're not a camera - an artist draws what she sees, what there really is, and what she wish she saw. So our ideals and things are translated into the work as well. It's important to allow ourselves that freedom too.
You're very welcome. I'm really happy that you're here <3 Please never hesitate to ask. I'll do my best to answer it all. Hope you find the mega threads here useful too!
She's not really the nicest professor either which is sad because when asking a question she's quite rude and never really answers it. More or less she just shames you until you leave her alone. TvT Oh! That actually makes sense, there will always be a slight curve but not a dramatic one if the figure is stiff? Very true I can't expect perfection as if I were a camera like that. Thank you for saying that it brings me to ease honestly. I will check out all of the threads you have on here because so far this seems like a really neat guild! I'm glad to have joined!
That's really awful. I hope the resources in this guild can fill the gaps for you! Yes, exactly. The gesture things and 3 modules for figure drawing is now up in the mega thread. Ready when you are.
Yes. It's a pretty sad model if they're posing stiffly, though. Sounds like there's no fun in drawing stiff models...
An obsession with perfection breaks spirit. You want to communicate through your art. Even a simple figure drawing can be used to express your ideals, your feelings and how you see the world. In my opinion, we have cameras to capture photo-realism. As artists, we have to draw what WE see. That is, our reality. <3
Haven't been on Gaia for a bit but I saw the figure drawing lesson! I'm guessing when done we submit on the figure drawing page?
Also I think with me I struggle a lot with landscape the most but as a budding artist I think the fundamentals are still a bit difficult for me. I'm still experimenting with shading not really fully understanding where it goes. Anyway here is my DA account so you can see where I am at drawing level wise. AnnabellSu I'm more into the Anime/Manga style of drawing and I have learned that even when its a cartoon its important to know basic human autonomy to draw or have it look correct.
Anyway sorry for blabbing to much I just love talking about anything related to the art field! <3
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:04 pm
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PLEASE BLATHER ALL YOU WANT! I love reading your thoughts and connecting with you. <3 Also, I love the way you view things - I love the manga/anime styles too (especially Mushishi's style) and have noticed that the best manga artists have an amazing grasp on actual anatomy. Since doing some Bargue copies, I notice similar nuances in Mushishi. I was really surprised lol
Yes, you can submit your drawings and experiments to the figure drawing thread. You can either use the form or post freely, just keep your sketches neatly organised. Since we'll be doing masses of drawings, it would be a good idea to create a specific folder for the course on your DA account.
The fundamentals course is not so basic as it might seem. I tried to make it as thorough and fun as possible. Unfortunately, cubes and elipses are super important when it comes to constructive drawing, so there are some drills there. But the textures & values sections might be the ones you're actually looking for. But structure is the most important, I think - if you understand form, then everything else comes easier and you don't risk the mistake of over-rendering something that doesn't have solid structure.
That's also the reason why you'll see me suggest doing studies in monochrome before moving onto limited colour pallettes - to learn values and form thoroughly before getting involved with colour.
That is not to say you shouldn't have fun with colour, though.
I know I SHOULD do the figure drawing course (at least dive into some of it before Inktober), but I kinda want to do portraits first to improve my gaia commissions... Really struggling with painting hair - to the point where painting is becoming stressful.
Are you working on something at the moment?
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:08 am
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Hey everyone! Where would you like to start? Portraits, Landscapes or Figure Drawing? What are you working on right now?
Hello! Lately I've been working on figure drawing because of my college class but in my case it's super complicated, I'm still having a hard time getting gesture lines down. Would you happen to have any tips? emotion_bigheart I'll probably stick with figure drawing for a while and then move into portraits!
That takes me back, The gesture is very simple, its a base of all figure drawing, its like using line work to build perspective, or using perspective to draw landscapes. ( note about landscapes, i can be a great deal of help here as well, and ill be doing a break down for this too)
In another way of looking at it: First we work with simple shapes, lines and the how they are related the body is not different you will find that drawing something like a chair is the same as drawing a person. ( with the exception of portrait drawing ) which follows its own rules. however for the case of figurative drawing, drawing the body is actually easy.
1. rule one, lets not worry abut proportion and anatomy, that comes latter. 2. the most important thing you need to know are shapes and tone. 3. practice practice practice.
Step one. draw quickly, i suggest 30 seconds -1 minute drawings, try to find as much major information as possible, 30 seconds always seems impossible to me, however you would be supersized what you can draw in that amount of time, before long 2 minutes will seem like forever to you.
how to do this. You break down the drawing of the body, or well any thing relay , in to the most simple shapes you can find, the body of a person for example is broken down in to circles triangles and ovals , you can also use squares and rectangles in many areas that your drawing.
Anatomy note for latter, as we practice drawing the body, we will concentration on certain areas, that are difficult this is how we will build anatomy understanding and proportion. Note to any one: i have been drawing the nude and the non nude figure for 15 years, studding it for a long time and i still am working on my anatomy and proportion, the thing about this is you will always have room to grow and to learn.
Suggestions: I highly suggest a how to draw anime book, there are books for the human body, beautiful woman, and clothing that you will find very helpful, scene the majority of the books i just mentioned all deal with figure and body drawing they are actually quite actuate and using anatomy study, however portraits is another matter and unless u want to draw cartoons i suggest using a different book for drawing faces.
(Using traditional books for drawing nude, figure or the human body also works, however they don't go in to as much detail nor do they break down the body in the way anime books do, also anime books tend to do a step by step study, while traditional books give you allot of basics what it looks like some examples and then bamb a finished drawing ( that probably had 3-4 more steps in between,) anime books also do this however i find them more useful, and this is a matter of taste for each student. you do however how much to learn from all styles of artist and i suggest you at least looking at traditional figurative books. ) ( the majorette of anime character use realistic body dolls ( a doll is a reference figure for artist ) in order to get them looking good, the always start with a base and then add to that using other logic and possible knowledge to give it realize, but the key is every abstract artist and cartoonist always understands the real first. )
I also have much more on the subject, but this will get you started.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:16 am
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I know I SHOULD do the figure drawing course (at least dive into some of it before Inktober), but I kinda want to do portraits first to improve my gaia commissions... Really struggling with painting hair - to the point where painting is becoming stressful.
I think i can be of help to you with painting hair and portraits
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:30 am
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Haven't been on Gaia for a bit but I saw the figure drawing lesson! I'm guessing when done we submit on the figure drawing page?
Also I think with me I struggle a lot with landscape the most but as a budding artist I think the fundamentals are still a bit difficult for me. I'm still experimenting with shading not really fully understanding where it goes. Anyway here is my DA account so you can see where I am at drawing level wise. AnnabellSu I'm more into the Anime/Manga style of drawing and I have learned that even when its a cartoon its important to know basic human autonomy to draw or have it look correct.
Anyway sorry for blabbing to much I just love talking about anything related to the art field! <3
Look at any anime ever, the landscapes are normal amazing. 1. Pokemon, i love there backgrounds, there so amazing they could almost be traditional paintings 2. Spirited away, and every other film made by that guy( i don;t know how to spell his name) Mirziki? any way i digress, i think you know who im talking about, his work borders on the level of Monet and other great landscape artist. 3. cartoons, i put this under one category because its different the anime, however i am pointing something out, other then Dr. sue ( who i love) i can't think of any cartoon that doesn't use realistic or semi realistic backgrounds.
why do i point this out, not that im picking on some one or trying to be a bully in any way, however i notice that anime artist in particular are quick to say your an anime artist. however that's not accurate. and heres why,
1. your an artist, pure and simple 2. look up and re read my example many cartoonist use real in order to make there work amazing. 3. use all examples form all sources don't limit your self
( your defense, well in my experience, is something like this :i am who i am and i know who i am and im prode of it , great , fantastic, own your artist talent and let now on stop you, however don't let that stop you from possibly growing or bowering ideas from other ideas use all your tools to grow and contuie owning who you are, when we focuse on ideas we become master bot exploration of ideas is how we master it in the first place.
Do you have another reple, please do tell and ill gladely help you see what im talking about.
I hope you find mind my comments helpful and not discouraging i want you to improve and to exsell, to do that you must be unconformable , only then will you be ready to progress.
Best of luck Akida
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:49 am
ok wow, i just typed a whole lote of stuff, im trying to correct spelling grammar as a speak, i don;t have allot of time so ill do this from time to time.
Ill try as i make long post to post in word first and edit as i go.
Finally my answer, what i am working on well, this is almost perfect for me.
Getting aback to the basics, so helping you all, teaching what i know will help me tap in to my artistic talents and re find my self i just hope ill be able to share any information i have on the subjects that you guys wish to learn from and hope that i can gain some perspective here as well.
What i miss most art critiques and ill be doing a small explanation on how to do that and how to get a critique as well.
1. i will away work on figure drawing and drawing people 2. i love landscapes they are my first love and will always be 3. perceptive drawing and shapes and line, although im not the best line artist and i would''t consider my self to be a technical drawer, i love the idea of it ( acutely i wanted to be a architect for some time)
some thign i always wanted to learn but its hard to find materal for drawing cars drawing weapons and mechss ( like gundum wing, although im not a huge anime artist ) drawing fantasy, dragons, other animals, mermaids .... ( normal what i do is do a cut and past method take a real person and glue it on a horses body, although this doesn't not always have the best feal or look, compared to being able to imagin a enitriely differnt body based off of real information. like drawing a goblin, there fram is not of any that would be eazy to compair to elfs are taller for example and manny , many other examples.
Finnaly a verry good topic of disgusstion that i want to start: breaking artist habbits, in my experence habbits are created when some one dose somthing with out noticing , the key element is not aware, this is not alone a bad thing however art should always have intent behind it, a plane and a structore, yes theres a difference between a sketch and a doodle and a drawing and even a finished work however one should break habbits and turn habbits in to perperosfull ideas, so if your draign thigns tall and skinny, then it should be ment to be tall and skinny and not becouse you just simply tend to do it ( with out thinking about it) that is the difference between mastering somthing or not we must find are vaules and stick behind them but not simply just do becouse it is eazy , challanging your self and others is always the best and only way to progress.
