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(Would normally agree with most of Lulu's point if not for her use of the term "grow up." stare )

Besides which, what part of "creationism is a fail!" isn't insulting or hurtful? And how is it "unoffensive" just because your views seem similar to Zephyr's? Yes, I realize I am probably overreacting, but I'm doing so intentionally to illustrate just how discourteous your whole attitudes seem. You no doubt don't see them that way, but I do, and I'm sure if I was to say "Atheism is fail!! You people want scientific proof for everything when maybe it can't all be explained the way you want!! And you seem to be forever making misguided assumptions about religion just because of the actions of super-conservative nuts who take things out of context and too literally!!" you'd probably both be screaming bloody murder.

Also, no, I do not believe anything without proof. You cannot make certain assumptions about what people believe in just because you do not see things the same way. Also note that I'M the one who first brought up the idea of religious people trying to dismiss science altogether with the quote I used, and vice-versa, and as for understanding Zephyr's viewpoint she comes across to me as small-minded and contemptuous: I don't care what the hell her opinion is, but if she can't at least try to see things from a religious person's view first before making her point and thus word it more maturely, then why shouldn't I be angry?


@Melnoli: It's all good. I was kinda expecting one of either two responses-- one, somebody leaps into action to defend Zephyr all huffy-gruffy; or two, everybody gets all super-apologetic and tries to act like they're the sweetest, kindest people ever who "understand." So Lulu's reply was at least a surprise if nothing else.

WOAH! All I was trying to say is that religion is based on BELIEFS, not FACTS! Or at least, that's how it seems. I mean, religious things can't really be proved, but that doesn't stop you from believing in them. You know, faith and all that. I mean, just because people don't SEE God, that doesn't keep them from believing in it.
That's all I was really trying to say.
And yes, in it's own way, Atheism fails as well. Because the lack of beliefs, it's still a belief.
But no, I'm not saying the Religions fail, just the people sometimes. And that's not to hold a few bad apples against the orchard, know what I mean?

I guess this whole thing came up because I keep hearing on the radio the people arguing for creationism and evolution and what should be taught and how in school. I think the whole argument in and of itself is stupid. Neither one can technically be proven, and thus both are only theories, and theories are along the same basis as beliefs. You shouldn't force yours on anyone, no matter what they are-scientific or religious. If someone wants to believe that God created everything, and someone else wants to believe we evolved over time from monkeys, I say let them.

I take it hard!!!!!! scream
...just kidding! 4laugh
Nah, it's all good! 3nodding

lol. lol

Yay!! blaugh

So... what were we all talking about again? sweatdrop

Ah, yes. Stuff that fails...

Meh, I actually kinda like "healthy" yogurt. sweatdrop It works well in homemade salad dressing. But to claim that it's better for you than regular yogurt is rather silly, yes. 3nodding

AND, speaking of cuisine, how about "healthy" junk food? "Low fat! Low salt! Only 60 calories per serving!" Right. Mainly because it's mostly made out of puffed air. rolleyes

I am NOT down with eating junk food made healthy! If I want junk food, I want it to be junky, that's why I'm eating it!!! scream

Whaaaa? eek
OH! Something else that fails! People using their race as an excuse!
You see, race really isn't the big problem anymore, it's class. You know, how large the lower and lower-middle classes are as compared to the higher one?
Yet, people will try to blame what class they're in on their race. It's like, No! I mean, look at me and my bio-parents! Our skin's white, yet we lived in poverty-and lower! We lived in a chicken coup for Christs sake! And yet the Hispanic kids would come up to me and be like, "You're a spoiled white girl." And I'd be like, "Oh really? That's awfully funny, since you're wearing more money in the clothes on your back than my family makes in three months together."
Seriously kids, race is not the problem anymore.
It's attitude.
((sorry, just had to get that rant out of me! sweatdrop ))