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Nephilim Blade

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:20 am


Bas rutten has good tips on how to make your punches non-detectable
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:44 am


Tatsuya_Kawajiri
The lack of mention of the word "hips" in here is pathetic.

Good point, well made. Hip rotation is everything in punching power. I feel lame for not mentioning it mad



Neph - Who's Bas Rutten?

DarklingGlory
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Nephilim Blade

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:16 pm


DarklingGlory
Tatsuya_Kawajiri
The lack of mention of the word "hips" in here is pathetic.

Good point, well made. Hip rotation is everything in punching power. I feel lame for not mentioning it mad



Neph - Who's Bas Rutten?


*dies of heart attack* Holy crap dude! I would definetly look him up. He is a retired MMA fighter from the early years. He now mostly trains other fighters and host mma events/ shows. If you wiki him AND youtube him you'll find out all you need to know. I would recommend it Especially since you mentioned working on the bag at home.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:05 am


~looks~ Ohhh right yeah. Brain fart blaugh

DarklingGlory
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Zumbi2

PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:26 pm


I want to add a few things to this.

1. Punching with weights does work if you are looking for more speed, and if you do it correctly, and if you practice throwing different punches with weight, practice punching drills with weights, and practice punch combos with weights.

2. Practice throwing punches really slow with weights that weigh 20lbs or more standing without using your whole body and just using your arms. That will work your core muscles, and your stabilizer muscles a lot even though you won't notice it until the third week of doing this. Then you will see it totaly. This also builds your back, arm, shoulder, and chest muscles for speed, and power a lot. It also develops certain muscles that are rarely activated. And those muscles really help with taking punches to the body, and they make you look wicked tough. When you do throw a punch with your whole body in the correct motion with no weights, you will be much faster, and your punches will cause major pain as a result of that training.

3. Handstand push ups people. They build lots of power, and speed and work the whole body.

4. Throw punches when you do situps. Start without weights, and once you can do 2 sets of 100 reps each then go with 5 punds in each hand and then go up slowly. Once you hit 25 pound per hand. go back to the beginning to give your hands time to heal, and then start over again and go until 30lbs each. And so forth.

5. Practice paper breaking to build serious speed and quickness with your punchs.

6. Practice punching in the water. It is natural resistence that is never the same.

7. Punch dry peas ina bucket, and slowly go up to stuff like mud, sand, pellets, and so forth. It will build power, the bones in your muscles, and it will toughen your skin the correct way. But rememberto put lotion on before and after to help it heal. I suggest a good dit jow, or aloe vera.

Those are my two bits. Or should I say 7 bits.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:45 am


nice ones! I'm especially fond of punching in water and the paper trick. hadn't done anything serious with weights

Nephilim Blade


Zumbi2

PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:16 am


Paper breaking is so damn hard. A lot of people make fun of it, but damn it takes serious speed to pull it off. No joke. And does take power since papers is flimsy, and an move with air and bend to your punch.

When you start to train with weights do it very, very, very, very slowly. If you do it too fast, and go up in weight too fast, you will damage your muscles and joints in the long run.

Increase the weight every 2 months, I know it sounds too slow, but trust me. Also you do need to do weight training in martial arts to get that added amount of muscle and power needed to get past certain obsticles and to beable to do things such as running faster or jumping higher.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:06 pm


what is a good starting weight and method to start with?

Nephilim Blade


DarklingGlory
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:25 am


Zumbi2
When you start to train with weights do it very, very, very, very slowly. If you do it too fast, and go up in weight too fast, you will damage your muscles and joints in the long run.

That is very very important. Because the danger of hyper extension is very real whilst using weights with punching.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:38 am


Join a boxing gym.

Tatsuya_Kawajiri


Zumbi2

PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:03 am


DarklingGlory
Zumbi2
When you start to train with weights do it very, very, very, very slowly. If you do it too fast, and go up in weight too fast, you will damage your muscles and joints in the long run.

That is very very important. Because the danger of hyper extension is very real whilst using weights with punching.


Word. I've often told this to dudes and dudets that I know that train with weights and go full on from the beginning, now they have a lot of pain where as I don't.

A good starting weight is anywhere between 1/2 lb to 5 lbs in each hand. Slowly build it up.

Hyper extention is only fine when punching a bag with no weights, and no gloves. Gloves can cause just as much damage as weights. One of the reasons that MMA and other martial arts are safer than boxing in the long run.

Once you go to 25 lbs the first time as mentioned in my tidbits and go back down for the first time, then can you start to throw slightly faster punches.

This is because your joints, muscles, bones, and ligaments need to get used to it and build up strength and resistence to the weight.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:32 am


Nephilim Blade
what is a good starting weight and method to start with?


Also something I forgot, when you start to weight lift, you have to do weight lifting that will work your whole body. Not just your upper body muscles. Lifts/workouts that should be done are squats, bench press, shoulder press, shoulder lift, bicep curl, quadracep lift, tricep push down, military press (shoulder press and military press are slightly different), roman chair, dead lift, clean and jerk (do this once a week, and do it explosively and at a very low starting weight. The weight of the bar is fine.), situps, lunges, pushups, pullups(do this with a back pack and at a low weight in the beginning), and so forth.

Workouts that can be done without weights that are good to do a lot of with no weights are situps, crunches, pushups, squats, pullups, roman chair, lunges, and so forth. Doing large amounts of reps with any of these workouts with no reps build lots of power, speed, and endurance in your muscles. The only one that should be down once or twice a week is lunges. This is because your knees need time to rest.

Now there are tons of lifts that can be down. If you want to learn about them, I suggest getting a few books on weightlifting that decribes the many types of lifts that can be down. Also if anybody wants to know more on different lifts just ask me. I was on the weight lifting team in highschool, and I took weight lifting as a class 3 times, and I have been strength training and weight lifting since I was 10. I also read Mens Fitness, fitness journals, Mens Journal, Muscle Magazine, and so forth.

Now since it is weight training for martial arts, you need to do mainly endurance lifting. The lifts should be done with correct technique, and slowly. Reps should be down at very low weight and anywhere between 50-100 reps per set. 50 is a good starting number. If that is too much for ya go with 25 reps. Have 5-10 minutes of rest between each workout. You should do endurance lifting really fast only once a week. For when you do speed endurance have 10- 15 minutes of rest time. Heavy lifting for muscle should be done 1-2 times a month. With heavy lifting have 15 minutes of rest, then do the second set. During the rest times do something like stair master, jumping exercises, jump rope and so forth. Or any polymetrics. When you finish your 2nd set take a 10 minute break and go onto the next work out. do upper body one day, and the next heavy lifting session do lower body.

Heavy endurance lifting is something that should be done once every two months for the most part. Heavy endurance lifting is lifting very heavy weight more than 4-6 reps per set. The amount of reps done is 10-14 reps. And you only do one set. No more. If you want to do 2 sets, go ahead, but you then need to low the amount of reps. Example if in the first set you did 14 reps, you do only 10 reps. And when doing heavy endurance lifting always have spotter. You will need that spotter the whole time. Also have 20 minutes of rest inbetween each set. During those sets do any type of cardio.

I hope that helps.

Zumbi2


Nephilim Blade

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:49 pm


i was mainly referring to just the punching routines with weights...
PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:52 pm


oh lol.

But ike I said, when you do weight lifting you have to workout the whole body you can't just do punching routines.

But start out with 1/2 punds in each hand, and do punching drills slowly to start up, and do different drills every few sets.

Zumbi2


Nephilim Blade

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:46 pm


Ill try it with my current routines. but ill have to basically put it in half gear, because i do everything 100% normally
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