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Azaireal

PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:18 am


I still stand by that Xearus is not weaker than Alaric.

Besides, you are forgetting something...

Xearus, if you insist on being weaker, still has an advantage that will be next to imposible to destroy. He has two hands +
PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:31 am


Xearus' purpose to Darvien was blackmail, plain and simle. bloodwalking to find who sired who, who was blood bound to who, and then use either the weaker of teh bond as a 'you don't do as I say I will hurt them' ploy or a 'your fledling screws up, I stake you' thing.

Age does take into account sheer power, even by WW standards. Xearus can overcome Alric perhaps in will and determination. that's a given, Xearus been through some heavy beatings and the like. but age does include some power. Lynx can hit much, much harder than xearus. and move faster. and there's a whole array of telepathic abilities.

Alric is more of a modern weaponry and bloodmagic type, and bloodmagic is potent stuff. if you go by WW standard, the wide use of bloodmagic was teh reason all teh clans ganged up on Brujah and destroyed carthage for fear of it. or at least that was the story teh ventrue who organized everything told. they coudl have always lied.

I will say though that older vampires tend to be..taken off guard by younger ones mostly due to the fact that they know how badass they should be, adn rely far to heavily on the 'tried and true' methods. the old, it worked druing roman times, it should work now way of thinking, and can be mowed down by free thinking younger vampires. the elder that keeps all his money in one bank hoping that it being safe in a vault can be torn apart when a younger vampire hacker gets into that banks systems and wipes it out becuase the older one didn't even think that it's all run on computers, for example.

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Azaireal

PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:35 am


Because the older one didn't think of eating a newbie.

Blood Walking found via google.

I’VE ESCAPED DEATH, BY THE SKIN OF MY TEETH
I WAS SKIN AND BONES, MY TRUST WAS BURIED DEEP
WE WERE RESTING TOGETHER, EVEN IN THE DARK
I WAS LIVING QUIETLY UNTIL HE BROKE ME APART
CRUSADERS AND DEMONS WILL NEVER FADE AWAY
CRUSADERS AND DEMONS WILL NEVER GO AWAY
WE LEARNED TO SING THEIR VERY OLD DIRGES
BUT WE NEVER GOT SHELTER IN THE CHURCHES
DEFAMATION, I WILL CALL, COME ON ! DEFAMATION, NO !
IN THAT DEMIMONDE, I WAS THE SPACEWALKER
IN THAT DEMIMONDE, I WAS WALKING
BUT VISION WON’T FOLLOW ME INTO MY GRAVE
EVEN IF MY FACE, WILL NOT BE SAVED
YOU MAY TALK FOR HOURS, YOU MAY IGNORE IT ALL
BUT I WOULD CARE, CARE ABOUT YOUR FROWN
YOU NEVER SHOWED ME YOUR OTHER FACES
MY NAME IS GRIEF, I STILL KNOW THE PLACES
WHERE WE RESTED TOGETHER, EVEN IN THE DARK
I WAS LIVING QUIETLY UNTIL HE BROKE ME APART
DEFAMATION, I WILL CALL, COME ON ! DEFAMATION, NO !
IN THAT DEMIMONDE, I WAS THE SPACEWALKER
IN THAT DEMIMONDE, I WAS WALKING
IN THAT SPACE - WAL - KER
SPACE - WAL - KER
IN THAT DEMIMONDE, I WAS WALKING
IN THAT DEMIMONDE, I WAS LOVING
LOVING, LOVING, LOVING !
YEAH, YEAH, YEAH !
PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:42 am


*palmface* He turned into a debate.

Okay, so he's an a** with an attitude that will give a good go at someone, provided that he feels the need to. You have to remember how he takes to people and situations he's being but in. There's nothing stopping him from going running home to Lynx or anything either, which his pride is alreay trod on.

My main point on him is the way I constructed him I severly crippled him really in several ways. He has a few physical flaws and then quite the number of mental ones, including the way he precieves himself.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:44 am


Stacy tries to keep her characters from being all powerful. Even a powerful vampire, which Xearus could and should be, is hampered by his size and issues.

It does sort of make an interesting case to look at though.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:52 am


I know, I can see that you have placed a lot of thought in how you constructed his social aspect over the more physcal elements associated with the common vampire cheese cake.

So how many of the PC vampies are similarly constructed under-powered for Role Playing purposes?

EDIT.

I shouldn't let myself rewrite these things that many times. You might not htink I was paying attention.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:59 am


In here? Just me. And I do that on purpose...I could have a freaking god under my control and I would cripple that character into well less than at top godly power.

Makes for good character development along the way as the story progresses.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:19 am


Bard theory.

In theory, bards are good. In practice not so much. But it is still fun to be a bard.

Best described as 'sucks at everything' but can do everthing.

In being weak, you can better devote your energy to creating stonger personality to overcome that weakness, or develop an interesting perspective that would otherwise make no sense.

You took your god, and made him a minion to his own inabilities.

I'd give you bonus XP for succeeding at challenges. <3

I see how you think of me as being cheesy, but believe me when I say that I am not. I just have a different understanding of what power is, and that seems to be a bit above what you precieve to be a good amount of power. Alaric's cheesiness comes from my inturrpretation of how difficult it would be for a vampire to survive in the modern age given the beastial nature of vampires. I assumed that in order to live to the age you are, you would have had to overcome adversity in all its varying degrees, including older 'more power' vampire lords and similar type things with various goal and agendas that would probably make my skin crawl to think about.

Tarathiel's preceived cheesiness comes from his attitude and process in battle. But if you actually look at him as a character, especially how he appears on paper with numbers and dice attached, he actually isn't that great. Given the appropriate circumstances and support, he can pretty much do what he was designed to do. Since I am unable to really give you a strong sense of how well he fights, it comes out cheesy. I gave him a small band of pirates, designed off of drow society and values, and he appears more cheesy. His seemingly infant amount of resources has to come from somewhere, and Since I have offered you little in the way of history, you don't actually know how he functons. So more cheesyness there too. a lot of precieved cheesyness. <3

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:26 am


I'll keep it simple.

It's all mental blockers that one puts in one's self and doesn't even know it. Even if Xearus was uber powerful, he couldn't utlize his powers because he thinks he doesn't have them the way he does.

Piper too. She could be reading everyone's mind and her 'no fear' thing could have her doing everything under the sun. But no, her telepathy is crippled and she's scared of elves.

Aurah had it too. She had her thoughts with being stuck in a repetative cycle period with nothing under her belt but a bad attitude and bad history with a bad childhood that corrupted till she got broken down and she gained her issues.

Hell even Ecara, in the way she thinks all together.


If you think you can't do better, you won't.

If you think this is as good as it gets, then it is.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:28 am


If you have to in order to survive, and you want to live, then you do it.

BTW;

Did you know that you designed Eldar from WH40K with your elves?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:30 am


I beg to differ. I've almost killed several of my characters.

And that means very very little to me.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:34 am


Then they didn't have to do it to survive.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:37 am


Or they didn't have the will.

....

I'm done discussing this. For I can't formulate my words any different than what I have...its' too early for that mental capacity.

Just take the characters as they're given, don't analyze the hell out of it and play the what if game.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:53 am


Shrug.

I keep being told I have powers beyond dreams.

I merely seek what is not beyond dream.

How else am I to understand this if I do not ask the one who seems to have the stongest grasp on the situation?

WHat to right now appears as character analysis in the form of an attack on one of your beloved characters, with good reason, is merely me trying to understand what an appropriate amount of power is.

My refusal to allow Xearus to be underpowered bothers you because it attacks his being. Understandable and quite acceptable.

But, you fail to realize, I don't want to beat him. I want him to be strong, I want him to win, I want him to kick the snot out of Alaric, and rip his ******** head off.

EDIT, drunk with power and with sleepyness.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:57 am


Then give him a reason to rip his head off, simple as that.
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