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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:29 am


Ea The Wizard
You make it seem like EA isn't making profit off a 60 dollar game.

To include mirco transactions in full price release is greed, nothing less.
If Dead Space and Dead Space 2 were not making money for EA, we wouldnt have seen Dead Space 3.

Video game companies bring in a lot of money, a 60 dollar game barely gives anything to the people that actually make it, and plenty to the publishers. If mirco transactions went to the actual game devs and game development it would make sense, but it doesn't.

This method of getting as much money out of the player base with little to no work or content is a short term money grab. Consumers are catching on, and we have seen with Capcom and their rapid decline in sales numbers. People arn't happy with dlc on disks, and mirco transactions are just the same idea in a different method of release. When paying full price for a game, you should get the full package, not a part of it.

Asura's Wrath was a 60 dollar game of only 6 hours, and BEST OF ALL, the actually ending of the game is a 10 dollar dlc. Yeah, i'm sure that was so they could afford making the game...wasn't greed at all. noo way


It isn't greed, it's logistics. Businessmen tend to value efficiency and productivity, but greed is a personal problem. A businessman that maximizes his revenue isn't necessarily greedy.


In any case, the point is that 60 dollar titles don't actually make very much money. Or rather, they don't make as much money. Riot is going to make more selling 5$ skins every 2 weeks with a lot less money invested in the product than some studio making a fully fleshed out game. The reason companies are trying to use that sales mechanic is because its extremely effective and always has been. They can net a lot more impulse buy sales by having many low price things for sale. Just like grabbing candy at a checkout aisle.

That's why lots of studios are closing. BC just closed like 2-3 pretty big studios.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:03 am


King Bug

It isn't greed, it's logistics. Businessmen tend to value efficiency and productivity, but greed is a personal problem. A businessman that maximizes his revenue isn't necessarily greedy.


In any case, the point is that 60 dollar titles don't actually make very much money. Or rather, they don't make as much money. Riot is going to make more selling 5$ skins every 2 weeks with a lot less money invested in the product than some studio making a fully fleshed out game. The reason companies are trying to use that sales mechanic is because its extremely effective and always has been. They can net a lot more impulse buy sales by having many low price things for sale. Just like grabbing candy at a checkout aisle.

That's why lots of studios are closing. BC just closed like 2-3 pretty big studios.

Although you make a valid point on the mentality of the business, your overall logic is flawed.

One, Micro-transactions on LoL due generate a lot more revenue then a one-time buy but they also need to. League of Legends has to be maintained which means they need a staff and they have to pay that staff, a lot of money. One time buys don't have that problem because the game doesn't necessarily change fundamentally, there is no upkeep. It's produced and paid for completely before it hits the shelves. All the companies are doing once the game is distributed is making a return on their initial investment. Which isn't hard to due, hence why prices drop significant after the first week or two of sales depending on the popularity of the franchise.

Two, League of Legends is essentially free. You (the consumer choose) to buy all the bell and whistles and you only make that choice after you have already invested heavily into the game in terms of playing it. So when you buy a skin for a champion it's a lot more gratifying because;

A) You played the game for more worth than the 5 bucks you are about to spend on it.
B) You know you will continue to play the game for more than the 5 bucks you are about to spend on it.

and last but not least...

C) It's not mandatory for game play.


I'm not arguing DLC shouldn't exist. It's how money grubbing companies like EA and Capcom are going about it that is the problem. The DLC they offer is information already hard-coded onto the disk that you already paid for. That's a bad scheme because it's no different from charging someone to use something that they already "own".

People aren't stupid. They recognize when you do something underhanded like that and they're are not gonna stop to think of the business aspect of a strategy like that. They're gonna simply see it as you trying to rip them off (because you are ripping them off).

That leads to bad publicity through word of mouth and anyone who has ever taken a marketing course knows that word of mouth is the single best form of advertisement.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:04 am


5567_No_Okami

Capcom's decline started the second Keiji walked out those doors confused


i would argue it was happening even before his departure, hence why he left. Capcom has lost several key players and big names over the past few years. And that fact that these guys can go over to start their own businesses (like Platinum Games) and be successful selling AAA titles in damn impressive.
Even more so because they are a Japanese company, in the current market they haven't had the sales of earlier generations.
Probably why they have been aiming to please the American market so much.


On a side note. EVERYONE SHOULD PLAY VANQUISH. Amazing 3rd person shooter from Platinum Games.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:16 am


Good Points Colonel,

i could talk about the video game industry for DAYS, especially the correct way to handle DLC and or mirco transactions. But that is a depressing conversation...so!!!



Who here has played the new DMC: Devil May Cry ??

DID YOU LOVE IT!? CAUSE I DID!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:25 am


So, we're having technical difficulties. But fortunately, we have another judge taking the place of the third one due to life things.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:34 am


I have never played a DMC game. Everyone says I should fix this.

Then again I have only played one Metal Gear game (the first one for PS1).

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:51 am


From what i hear, Metal gear solid 2 and 3 are the best. I enjoyed MGS4, but i intend to buy the trilogy HD collection.

As for the DMC games, they can be very challenging games until you get used to the play style. The HD collection is a steal in terms of dollar to value, but whether or not the game will resonate with you has a lot to do with your love of cheesy jokes and if you are a score attack kinda of person. Improving your scores is one of the main reason you replay the game.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:13 am


Vintrict


Think it'll take a few more days before the scoring gets done?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:14 am


So who's this new judge and when should they be finished?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:19 am


Xerowingz
Vintrict


Think it'll take a few more days before the scoring gets done?

Me and Sokoya are pretty much finished, but depending on how fast the third judge gets in, it'll depend on how fast he is at adapting to the rubric and judging.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:21 am


Think we could get a sneak peek at what is done? sweatdrop
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:36 am


Why not just rely on the two judges for the first round ?.? I mean you did it single handedly last year and it's not like a third judge is NECESSARY... >.>

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:42 am


Xerowingz
Think we could get a sneak peek at what is done? sweatdrop

Here ya go, your fight!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:12 pm


Sorry the wait everyone.

Our mysterious third judge stepped down before grading.

He's since been sacked.

And replaced.


Edit: Vintrict beat me to it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:19 pm


I see that you guys are on top of the situation, but I want to second Okami's notion.

I think if we release grades now, it's still a step up from last year, and we can move on. All the while, you guys can teach the new judge using this rounds stuff so they'll be ready for round two.
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