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Lady Pyre
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:34 am


See, my thing is this. The reason for the old threads being retired was some bull about too many pages being intimidating for newer members. Now, assuming I were a new member... I wouldn't give a flying ******** about there being a thousand page chat thread. Does it mean the guild is old? Yeah. But that doesn't mean the active userbase has been consistent or that there isn't room for anyone else.

What would bother me is not knowing where the hell things go. And both this thread and the chat thread are rather ambiguous.
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 5:42 am


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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:48 am


Thanks for the congrats, everyone. =) I'm really excited to live there.


Gah...my roommate gave her dog away yesterday, because she "can't" take him when she moves, supposedly...but she just messaged me to say that he'll be back when I get home because he bit the woman who took him.

Part of me is wondering what the hell they did to get him to bite her, because despite being very excitable he's never shown any inclination to bite anyone, but most of me is (as bad as this sounds) frustrated that he's back, because I'm sick of taking care of him when she's not around.



BUT tonight I will have a new mattreeeeeeesssss.......hooray!
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:58 pm


Aeolusis
I always thought of this thread as a one shot comment, rant, or just random thoughts that needed to be said.
It was never intended for chatting, but if something came up where some chatting was brought up because of what someone said or felt it was also find.
That's why it's a junkyard. xp

Damnit Aivi, you get me sucked into these facebook games so fast. crying heart


You give me too much credit - Playfish is just awesome at making games!

But also, yeah, I figured the purpose of this thread was exactly that. Isn't that why we made it?

If it's bothering people and you guys want some guidelines, here's what I think. We could define what "venting" constitutes, so that if it's not venting, it doesn't belong in this thread.

Or we could define what "random chatter" is. Should "I GOT A NEW JOB I'M SO HAPPY" be considered venting or chatter, for instance? Chatter in my mind is more along the lines of, "hi everybody! I wanna start a jigsaw room, anyone going to join me?" or "wow, I never knew the difference between Austria and Australia was." Since we've tried to establish ourselves as a discussion guild for so long, maybe it feels unnatural to be spammy and that's why our chat thread is on life support.

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Lady Pyre
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:56 pm


Waltz for Luma

If it's bothering people and you guys want some guidelines, here's what I think. We could define what "venting" constitutes, so that if it's not venting, it doesn't belong in this thread.

Or we could define what "random chatter" is. Should "I GOT A NEW JOB I'M SO HAPPY" be considered venting or chatter, for instance? Chatter in my mind is more along the lines of, "hi everybody! I wanna start a jigsaw room, anyone going to join me?" or "wow, I never knew the difference between Austria and Australia was." Since we've tried to establish ourselves as a discussion guild for so long, maybe it feels unnatural to be spammy and that's why our chat thread is on life support.


To me (and probably Aldo), venting = bitching. I'd say truly awesome s**t deserves a new topic. Average good/bad goes in the chat thread. Emo whining and bitchfests are the realm of the vent thread.

And if we're so averse to being spammy, then why does this thread have 3-4 times the posts of the chat thread? You and Ryo say it's for anything that won't spark a conversation. Well... that's spam. But like you said... we all post here and the actual chat thread is on life-support. Unless you're saying people post here because they don't consider their stuff worthy of being replied to, but we do anyways.
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:13 pm


By spammy I mean, "What's up, everyone?" Actual chatting. The word spam is used so many ways I don't really know what it means anymore. It kind of fits what you're saying about good/average things.

So, you think we should limit this thread to bitching only? Do most of you guys feel that way?

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kerminatrix

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:50 pm


honestly, that's the way i've been approaching this thread all along. i only post in it if i'm responding to something OR i have a legitimate b***h of my own. if i haven't got anything to say to other people's posts and s**t is going ok for me, i don't post here.

so putting that kind of rule on this thread would not change the way i approach it.
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:55 pm


That's what I did at first, pg. Then every time I had something to say in the chat thread... guess what? I was the last person to post! So I started using this thread in those cases so the chat thread didn't turn into the "watch Pyre talk to herself" thread. gonk

Lady Pyre
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Aeolusis
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:57 pm


Waltz for Luma
Aeolusis
I always thought of this thread as a one shot comment, rant, or just random thoughts that needed to be said.
It was never intended for chatting, but if something came up where some chatting was brought up because of what someone said or felt it was also find.
That's why it's a junkyard. xp

Damnit Aivi, you get me sucked into these facebook games so fast. crying heart


You give me too much credit - Playfish is just awesome at making games!

But also, yeah, I figured the purpose of this thread was exactly that. Isn't that why we made it?

If it's bothering people and you guys want some guidelines, here's what I think. We could define what "venting" constitutes, so that if it's not venting, it doesn't belong in this thread.

Or we could define what "random chatter" is. Should "I GOT A NEW JOB I'M SO HAPPY" be considered venting or chatter, for instance? Chatter in my mind is more along the lines of, "hi everybody! I wanna start a jigsaw room, anyone going to join me?" or "wow, I never knew the difference between Austria and Australia was." Since we've tried to establish ourselves as a discussion guild for so long, maybe it feels unnatural to be spammy and that's why our chat thread is on life support.


That maybe be true but I wouldn't have know about restaurant city if you hadn't invited me.

To me venting is completely different from bitching.

If you want a b***h only thread thats fine by me, we'll just have to define a bit more of what venting is compared to bitching.
Or define bitching, and seaking chat and everything else goes here. confused
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:05 pm


Aeolusis

That maybe be true but I wouldn't have know about restaurant city if you hadn't invited me.

To me venting is completely different from bitching.


Don't tell me what it isn't to you - tell me what it is.

Aeolusis
If you want a b***h only thread thats fine by me, we'll just have to define a bit more of what venting is compared to bitching.
Or define bitching, and seaking chat and everything else goes here. confused


I don't want a "b***h only" thread. I'm saying that if that isn't what this is, then how is it any different from a chat thread? People come in and post what is on their mind in hopes that it sparks a conversation. We basically have two thread where one would work. We don't need a third.

Lady Pyre
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kerminatrix

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:18 pm


for what it's worth, i figure bitching is the same as venting, and i don't see what the big deal is about the two words meaning the same thing.

as for wanting or not wanting a vent only thread, or b***h only thread, or whatever you call the thread you go to if you want to complain, that seems like the only real issue here. i mean, we can all agree that we don't need 3 threads for the same purpose, right? so the question should be, do we want a thread to serve THIS purpose - the purpose of complaining about your terrible shitty life. if that's not something that needs its own thread, then this thread is basically pointless and can be ignored, and posts that would be made here can be made in another "general chat" thread instead. right? i mean is there another question going on here that i am missing?

so, my 2 cents on that topic: since i try not to overwhelm any threads - i try not to post more than once per page if it's not to respond to other people, for instance - i don't use this thread all that much for its intended purpose. i don't want to hit people over the head with my problems, and restraining myself like that ensures that i prioritize the issues and don't waste my post on something that isn't the most important thing shitting me up the wall that day, or whatever. but i understand that other people have lives that are crappy more often than mine, and i don't want to take away their venue for it.
it wouldn't bother me if that were to go on in the general thread, unless it got really out of hand.
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:49 pm


I'm with Aeo, here. Venting isn't the same as bitching. In the dictionary, venting is defined as giving free expression to a strong emotion. Anything that blows off steam. "I'M SO HAPPY!!!!! OMG I'M SO IN LOVE!!!!!" is venting. "MY LIFE SUCKS FML" is also venting.

Somehow, I thought we had established this a long time ago, that "venting" isn't necessarily negative? I'm pretty sure I'm not remembering wrong since the thread's creator seems to feel the same way. As it says in the first post, "Vent about whatever, chat about someone's venting or whatever."

I think this thread is way better than the chat one, which is dying as we've all pointed out, so what if instead of talking about how to fix this thread, we talk about how to fix THAT one?

One thing that comes to mind for me, is to make a rule that thoughts about new item updates or Gaia features can go into the chat thread instead of here, if the person doesn't want to make a whole topic about it.

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Lady Pyre
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:49 pm


Which brings me back to the question: how is the purpose of this thread different than the purpose of a chat thread? Why are there two separate threads when the point in retiring the old topics appears to have been to condense things?

If it is for bitching, then why do we have people talking about good things? If it is for intense emotions, why do we have people posting that they stubbed their toe? It seems like there really is no consensus on what makes this thread different from the chat thread except for the fact that people actually use this thread.

I don't want to see a bunch of rules about what specific things go in which thread. Which seems contrary to the fact that I'm even talking about it, but what I mean is... Each thread should have a general purpose that is pretty apparent by the topic title. I don't want each thread to have a list of appropriate topics because that just confuses things more. I think there should be an intuitive purpose for both threads. And if that purpose is essentially the same...
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 10:03 pm


Lady Pyre
Which brings me back to the question: how is the purpose of this thread different than the purpose of a chat thread? Why are there two separate threads when the point in retiring the old topics appears to have been to condense things?


We retired WAYT because we didn't like the one-lined bitchiness and wanted to encourage conversation, but still have a place where people could go to get things off their chest.

So this is the thread where people take things off their chest.

And the other thread is where we're supposed to encourage conversation. Apparently, we all just suck at conversation unless we're griping about something or having a discussion. Which is what I meant before, when I said that as a discussion guild, we don't know how to chat normally without "discussing things" because it's usually discouraged.

So then, perhaps it's a usage problem, not a problem with the threads themselves. Let's define the thread's "essence" a bit more. Make this venting thread a place where you take strong emotions off your chest. Make the chat thread the place where you talk about stubbing your toe or whatever happened that day.

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Lady Pyre
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 10:08 pm


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