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 Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:17 pm
Quote: *To Hisho no... Something...* *dies laughing* And I thought I was bad at names! Its right there if you ever forget! I have to disagree though. Some characters did get a bit weaker. These were mainly characters that were overused in the tournaments. The attacks are the same, but they either do less damage, are slower, etc. (Though in Ness's case you are right. They just made Lucas who is much better than Ness in everyway and thus made Ness obsolete. Which really sucks....They should have given Ness more or something different. Actually its kinda the same way with Link and Toon Link too....) Anyway, people cried because some of their mains were not as good as they used to be. "Oh no! Fox is bad now" *whine whine* "Now I can't overly express my furry self!" *whine whine* (Sorry to those that are furries. I just had to say it. I too get upset at those that go on and on about how wonderful Fox is. :/ Or at least they used to. HA! ) They did not give the NES away for free. It came with ROB. It was in the price of the whole bundle. They were just promoting the 'robot' and how different this is instead of just a game system. Or something like that....
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:40 pm
....and there's something that pretty much supports the Conspiracy.
Lucas was supposed to replace Ness from the get-go in Melee, but due to the (at the time) cancellation of MOTHER3, that didn't happen and Ness was back. So finally Sakurai got Lucas..... ......he favors Lucas. As for Toon Link, I sort of addressed that already... But you get the picture, I'm not totally insane! Hahaha.
Though to be honest, I still use Ness. I like Ness. He's my homeboy. But he is indeed a lot harder to play with, and if you have no prior experience you'd easily go to Lucas do to easy KOs.
....I smiled a demonic smile when I heard that Fox and Marth got debunked (Marth not as much). I hate those two. I REALLY do.
.....yeeeeaaaahh....
The bundle itself went for a lot more than the initial NES. But I guess it just depended on who would buy it.
As for who made that story, or if that story about R.O.B. is true. .....I would say I doubt it, =/. (Well, still say anyways) Mainly because R.O.B. only has two games, both of which were released pretty much the same time as he/it/she(?!) was.
And to be truthful, the gaming console crash happened in 83, Famicom came about in 84. 83 also had the arcade hit Mario Brothers, so selling a home console system with a game called "Super Mario Brothers" would probably help sales more than an interesting concept. (Sadly, R.O.B. is actually rated one of the worst videogame accessories/concepts by many, so even if he 'was' something that helped the system sell, it probably pissed people off too) The system was also packaged with the game (SMB) and the Light-gun, already some good things that it had going for it. R.O.B. was an extra that could have potentially boosted sales, but since SMB is pretty much the game that revived the videogame industry in general, we can pretty much rule R.O.B. out of being a hero. ....poor guy/thing/girl.
Anyways~ I'd love to talk about videogame history, but it doesn't fully correlate to the current discussion, XD
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:21 pm
Miroku Unleashed Thank you for the welcome! 3nodding Truely enough said, I agree with many, multiple things that you've said, except a few really. In my oppinion, I believe that characters are as hard as you make them. Depending on ones play styles some characters are easy to learn, while others are quite difficult. My girlfriend for example has almost mastered playing with 'Meta-Knight' and because of this really, I've almost mastered playing with 'Kirby', though I liked him to begin with. When switched around, she's rather bad with 'Kirby', and for me 'Meta-Knight' is far to chaotic for me to control. I also hear that a lot of people find that 'Ike, Marth, and Link' are easy to learn, and require little skill. I personally have a horrible time trying to master them, I find 'Link' far to optional, and on the occasion I have trouble deciding what I should do in the situation, since there are lots of options. And with 'Ike and Marth'... To be honest, I don't know why I have so much trouble with them, maybe it's the short attack range, and limit of special moves. The characters I am good with are 'Mario, Donkey Kong, Jigglypuff, and Kirby' I will have fun and play with all characters, but I'm quite 'good' with those three. To wrap up I believe that characters are as hard, or as easy to learn, as the playing style of the player himself, I don't believe there are any 'hard' characters to master, unless the player himself/herself has trouble learning them. (Sorry for just jumping in btw, my GF has been reading the posts and keeping me updated through some of this. sweatdrop
Hi, welcome to the guild. I'm Nomad, the guild's clown.
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:07 pm
Well thank you Nomad, it's always a pleasure to meet a new face, and yes, I am YamiLover13's boyfriend. 4laugh
Aside from jumping in on the discussion, I believe we should get back on track of the topic of which character is the most popular. whee
Personally, I prefer Meta-Knight to Kirby. I blame the anime mostly. I was first introduced to Kirby by the SNES and 'Kirby Super Stars' (A great game I may add) and in that game, meta-knight was a villan, and he wanted to kill kirby. Now, he was cool, but I would've forsaken him in an instant. But thanks to my girlfriend, I had the chance to watch the anime, and learn about the real Meta-Knight. He's calm, colected, and chilvarious, personality traits that I like in a person, as for Kirby well... I share his love of food, but that's about it. sweatdrop
And that's why I personally prefer Meta-Knight to Kirby. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:28 pm
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Just because Sakurai was devoted to making it, doesn't mean the anime is canon.
How Meta Knight acted in KSS is the closest to his actual personality. In other games (but note that they are developed by Flagship, not HAL) where he plays a significant role he is the anti-hero.
The anime version is some long-lost soldier that is pretty much like Obi-Wan Kenobi of Star Wars, except he works with the bad guy. But with the intention of toppling it once at for all (which I think is an allusion to a favorite anime Sakurai had when growing up, as it sounds really familiar).
Trust the games, never the show. =)
Real Meta Knight = bad-a**
Anime Meta Knight = lame
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:15 pm
You like Kirby more than Meta Knight! Admit it! You just don't like the idea of saying you like something so cute. (That or just make me happy.) That and the anime probably ruined your view on Kirby. Though like Kenta said, you should not judge everything based on the anime.
The anime is very different from the games. Its in its own...little world. I like it but you have to keep this in mind. When you say you like the character you have to say if you like the game version or anime version now because they are all so different.
Sorry this was my fault. I shoved a lot of the Kirby anime in his face when I was trying to watch all 60 something episodes in one month. I am like that... Either way, he got sick of it but still watch it to the point of where he is now....oops.
Wait didn't you play any of the other Kirby games? *is confused*
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:18 pm
Hoshi no Kenta
The anime version is some long-lost soldier that is pretty much like Obi-Wan Kenobi of Star Wars, except he works with the bad guy.
(Oh, by the way, Miroku, did I forget to mention I'm also the guild Meta-Hater?)
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:27 pm
I suppose so, and I have to agree with Sanura's oppinion on these last few posts. heart
(And not just because I love her and we've been going out for almost 6 years.) 3nodding
Since the game Meta-Knight, and the anime Meta-Knight have completely sepperate personalities, then I suppose it's only fair to express an oppinion for both of them. Becuase if we go with the game Meta-Knight, then do we go with the first game? Or the most popular, or the most recent, becuase Meta-Knight has different roles in the games now. sweatdrop
I like Meta-Knight in the anime over kirby, because kirby (in the anime) is just to purely innocent and child-like. Besides, kirby doesn't get the cool dubbed latino guitar. 4laugh
In the game, I also have to choose Meta-Knight because he looks cooler then kirby. mrgreen
But don't get me wrong, I'm not a Meta-Knight lover, or a Kirby kill joy, to be completely honest, I prefer 'Chef Kowasaki' over the both of them. 4laugh
(And no Nomad, I didn't know. 4laugh )
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:32 pm
StarFaerieNomad Hoshi no Kenta
The anime version is some long-lost soldier that is pretty much like Obi-Wan Kenobi of Star Wars, except he works with the bad guy.
(Oh, by the way, Miroku, did I forget to mention I'm also the guild Meta-Hater?)
THAT aside...
How on earth was I dissing him, O_o? I was just giving an analogy. That's your interpretation if you thought I was dissing him. Obi-wan is bad-a**.
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:50 pm
Miroku Unleashed I suppose so, and I have to agree with Sanura's oppinion on these last few posts. heart Besides, kirby doesn't get the cool dubbed latino guitar. 4laugh In the game, I also have to choose Meta-Knight because he looks cooler then kirby. mrgreen I only use that name in RP's. I don't actually go by it! gonk He doesn't mean it. He is just saying that because he knows that it bugs the tar out of me. Every time I hear that damn guitar.....I just want to bash my head into a wall. They play it too much! I don't understand. You never cared for Meta Knight till I started talking about him all the time. .....Wait are you trying to embarrass me? eek As for which game to consider, it would have to be the ones Sakurai worked on I guess. Why did Meta Knight go around throwing Candy to Kirby? Hmm.... As for Star Wars...I have to agree with Kenta on that one. I can't stand the first 3 episodes too much. First one was ok but I hated the other two. The rest of the Star Wars series is just ok to me as well. I was never a huge fan. However, I never hated it. Anything being compared to Meta Knight is dissing to Nomad I guess.
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:06 pm
YamiLover13 As for which game to consider, it would have to be the ones Sakurai worked on I guess. Why did Meta Knight go around throwing Candy to Kirby? Hmm.... As for Star Wars...I have to agree with Kenta on that one. I can't stand the first 3 episodes too much. First one was ok but I hated the other two. The rest of the Star Wars series is just ok to me as well. I was never a huge fan. However, I never hated it. Anything being compared to Meta Knight is dissing to Nomad I guess.
....voice actor that is! (Voice Acting is awesome, those who deny it would rather have our ears crammed with wax)
The Joker's never been the same since.
Meta Knight throws candy cause he knows it makes him invincible.
....but he really only does it once. Knightly honor? I dunno. Maybe he was hoping Kirby's hyper mode would tear down the whole forest. ....tis a mystery, O_o;
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:34 pm
Wow, I was gone a looooooong time.
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:47 am
I don't know who those people are. I never care about actors since I rarely watch TV or movies.
That's just it. He threw it so Kirby would be invincible. Now why do that to your enemy? I understand fighting fair by giving him a sword but... Wait what level was it on? Maybe he thought the obstacles were unfair for Kirby? God I don't know.
It all just helps lead to the fact that Meta Knight is neutral though. Well...maybe a tiny bit of a hero but not really. Its hard since the other games messed things up a bit. Also, would the way he acted in Smash Brothers be considered cannon since Sakurai was the one that made it? Hmm...guess not. Why must he be so confusing?!
Yes you were gone for a VERY long time.
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:10 am
I think I'm caught up now...Lemme see: Actors, candy, and MK's clashing personality differences among game and anime that make fans confused and or frustrated.
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:00 am
YamiLover13 I don't know who those people are. I never care about actors since I rarely watch TV or movies. That's just it. He threw it so Kirby would be invincible. Now why do that to your enemy? I understand fighting fair by giving him a sword but... Wait what level was it on? Maybe he thought the obstacles were unfair for Kirby? God I don't know. It all just helps lead to the fact that Meta Knight is neutral though. Well...maybe a tiny bit of a hero but not really. Its hard since the other games messed things up a bit. Also, would the way he acted in Smash Brothers be considered cannon since Sakurai was the one that made it? Hmm...guess not. Why must he be so confusing?! Yes you were gone for a VERY long time.
Revenge of Meta Knight.
^
First off, why does he seek 'revenge'? That's unknown, but as the plot of the game suggests, he wants his own tyrannical take-over of Dreamland so he can rule it with an iron fist. His reasoning is that "Dreamland is Lazy" (From the quote, "At Last, Dreamland's Lazy Lifestyle Will Come to An End!"), but there could be other reasoning as well.
Since Dedede was the self-proclaimed ruler, and therefore, main antagonist (until his reasoning was figured out) in Adventure, perhaps Meta Knight aided Kirby (Though, the key fact to remember is that it was just that one time) for common goals. With Dedede defeated, Meta Knight could go on to his own plans of conquest.
In the fight against him in Kirby Super Star, he actually gets ticked off enough (if you wait) and just starts to fight you without you picking the sword up. This also goes against his "Knightly" honor, which could indeed label him as villain.
Of course, there's some theory I heard long back (at KRR no less) that according to Sakurai, Meta Knight was possessed by Nightmare during the course of the game. ....which in itself, doesn't make much sense. First off, Nightmare was completely destroyed in Kirby's Adventure, leaving nothing to go and possess Meta Knight. Second, I didn't know that Nightmare had that kind of ability. Third, how did Meta Knight think calmly and tactically, still in character (the way he responds to crisis is still fairly relaxed in the game similar to his anime counter-part (which Sakurai developed)), and manage to get all of those subordinates? He was obviously up to something beforehand on his own. Unless Sakurai comes up to my face and tells me that theory is correct, I've pretty much debunked it, as it makes no sense.
Lastly, Meta Knight in the Subspace Emissary I say was in it for his own doings, and not for the good of it all. The key thing that the game is missing (I want director's cut damnit) is the initial opening cutscene that has Dedede and him duking it out on the Halberd, when Tabuu (another rumor, but for another day, Tabuu was supposedly Marx originally) came and did his shockwave attack turning most of the crew on board into trophies. He steals the Halberd, and Dedede goes off to make the Timed Badges which counter-act Tabuu's shockwave attack (restoring people from the trophy status after a certain amount of time).
Dedede goes off to look for heroes to test his badges on (Luigi) and captures a few more thanks to the trophy-ication of Wario's doings (Ness). His final badge is taken off either Princess (depending on which path you chose) and is finally eaten by Kirby. (Kirby is revived and spits it out in the Subspace)
Meta Knight, on the other hand, attacks Marth almost immediately without reason, other than the fact he is next to a subspace bomb. He joins forces with Marth and Ike for a bit, but when he finally see his ship, he goes for it and leaves the rest of the group. The only noble act he does in the whole story is saving Trainer and Lucas from Galleom's Subspace Bomb. Which, could have been demanded of him to do by Marth and Ike (since Meta Knight saves them at the LAST second, giving reason that he could have just ignored it to begin with). After ditching the Ice Climbers, Lucario stands in Meta Knight's way, and after beaten (I always beat up pokemon) Lucario trusts Meta Knight and moves onward. The key thing here is that the whole reason the fight engaged was because Lucario could not tell whether Meta Knight was a good guy or a bad guy. And since if you think about it, Meta Knight's whole role in the story is to just get his ship back, he wouldn't give off an aura that would align himself with either side: He doesn't care much for the good guys, and doesn't like the bad-guys.
The final note to what was going on in his part of the story is Solid Snake. First off, Sakurai and Kojima are good buds and Kojima begged for Snake to be in Melee. So who personifies 'bad-a**' of the Kirby series? Meta Knight of course, so teaming him up with the other bad-a** character makes sense.
But Wait! Why was Snake on the Halberd in the first place?
The only theory that makes sense that I can give is that Meta Knight actually sent Snake on the mission to infiltrate the ship. Once Snake was in, he got cornered and hid for a bit. Meta Knight was intending to rendezvous with Snake and so when Meta Knight and Lucario are just boarding the ship, Snake receives new mission details to begin the liberation of the Halberd. (Snake could have also been ordered to just stay on the ship until Meta Knight got there, either way, when Meta Knight and Lucario board the ship the NEXT stage is Snake going, "Beginning Mission", implying that Meta Knight boarding the ship has a lot to do with Snake's mission)
Lucario discovers Snake in a box, and Snake is surprised. Snake perhaps did not know of his employer beforehand, so that can show why he is being stealthy (and for humor). Snake is the one that stays behind while Meta Knight and Lucario proceed to the main deck of the ship to tell Peach and Zelda to STAY PUT (Which they don't do, little bitches). Meta Knight is off to get his ship back.
Finally, while Snake and Lucario along with the two prisoners and Starfox team-members go to fight Duon, Meta Knight is absent from the battle. Instead, he goes to take control of his ship, and now seeks revenge on the subspace army for tainting it and using it.
The most awesome cutscene of the whole game involves having the Halberd be destroyed, and Meta Knight could have let that happen for sake of building a new ship (or they had a different attack plan but that fell through when the beam of energy made the ship explode). Whatever it took to get revenge could be the case here, as he was ******** pissed off at Tabuu.
THAT'S A MOUTHFUL.
I could explain Kirby too, but that'd be even more long-winded. Basically, Meta Knight's main motive of the game is to get his ship back and then get revenge at the guy that ******** it up.
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