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 Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:01 pm
Hell. A place of eternal torment and pain- or so they say. If this place, does, indeed, exist, it would have to get old pretty darn fast. I mean, after a few millenia, you'd be immune to pain. Used to it. So, for Hell to be actually painful for all of time, it would have to increase ALL THE TIME. And that just doesn't seem very fair to newcomers, does it? Thoughts?
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:47 am
Ninniach_Wen Hell. A place of eternal torment and pain- or so they say. If this place, does, indeed, exist, it would have to get old pretty darn fast. I mean, after a few millenia, you'd be immune to pain. Used to it. So, for Hell to be actually painful for all of time, it would have to increase ALL THE TIME. And that just doesn't seem very fair to newcomers, does it? Thoughts? Hmm, Fairness in Hell...I can't really see that happening. Out of interest, what kind of Hell did you have in mind?
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:23 pm
My view of Hell:
An eternal, physical Hell is pointless. God has no reason to torture someone once they're dead. Once someone dies, if they are not a heavenbound person, they die forever. In other words, hell is the atheists' heaven.
Hell's tortures are twofold:
First of all, there can be no more joy, happiness, love, or any kind of goodness at all. You might say, "But there will also be no more hate, misery, or anything evil either." But that is because, even on Earth these things are only perverted virtues, and are incapable of existing on their own. "Believe in me, and you will die forever."
Second, is that God rejects you. And at this point, God's is the only opinion that matters. This is what Jesus endured for three days on the cross: "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"
Our minds are incapable of comprehending how horrible the above tortures are, so Christ used metaphorical imagery, i.e. the furnace, the outer darkness.
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:36 am
I'm glad my religion doesn't believe in hell. Judaism disagrees with itself all the time on the concept of a heaven/afterlife, but firmly states that Hashem (God) would never create a hell.
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:37 pm
sheepofdarkness Second, is that God rejects you. And at this point, God's is the only opinion that matters. This is what Jesus endured for three days on the cross: "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:38 am
roothands sheepofdarkness Second, is that God rejects you. And at this point, God's is the only opinion that matters. This is what Jesus endured for three days on the cross: "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" God is omnipresent. Hell is the absence of God. Therefore, Hell is nonexistant. Or rather, Hell is nonexistance. This is why I believe that Hell is the destruction of the soul, because it's the most logical thing for God to do. He has no use for souls that have no use for him, so he just tosses them in the garbage. Existence, consciousness...these are meaningless without God.
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:48 pm
I think the whole concept of God being omnipotent and being able to do whatever he damn well pleases would kind of over-ride your concept.
I think in Dante's Inferno that there was something about how the suffering would become worse for those in hell after Judgement day, as they would come into their physical body again and continue torture... I'll have to look for the specific tercet(s) that stated that.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 2:56 am
Mallorys Wedgie Friend I think in Dante's Inferno that there was something about how the suffering would become worse for those in hell after Judgement day, as they would come into their physical body again and continue torture... I'll have to look for the specific tercet(s) that stated that. But...we're not going to take that as Theological Canon. Are we? confused
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:28 am
Mallorys Wedgie Friend I think the whole concept of God being omnipotent and being able to do whatever he damn well pleases would kind of over-ride your concept. How? And how do souls in eternal physical torment "please" God?
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:02 pm
sheepofdarkness Mallorys Wedgie Friend I think the whole concept of God being omnipotent and being able to do whatever he damn well pleases would kind of over-ride your concept. How? And how do souls in eternal physical torment "please" God? I never said that he was pleased by doing this... it was a colloquialism (sp?). Anyway, the fact that, if we are talking about most Gods, that are omnipotent "creatures", or whatever you'd like to think of them, would allow them to defy physics, psychology, and reality in general. So, you say that we would eventually become accustomed to the pain of hell, well, if God wanted to, he could just make it so that accustomed feeling to pain, misery, torture, etc. goes away, and once again, we're being tortured again.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:04 pm
Quinn+hisQuill Mallorys Wedgie Friend I think in Dante's Inferno that there was something about how the suffering would become worse for those in hell after Judgement day, as they would come into their physical body again and continue torture... I'll have to look for the specific tercet(s) that stated that. But...we're not going to take that as Theological Canon. Are we? confused Of course we're not, I was just mentioning it as something to offer an alternate view point.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 6:31 pm
Mallorys Wedgie Friend sheepofdarkness Mallorys Wedgie Friend I think the whole concept of God being omnipotent and being able to do whatever he damn well pleases would kind of over-ride your concept. How? And how do souls in eternal physical torment "please" God? I never said that he was pleased by doing this... it was a colloquialism (sp?). Anyway, the fact that, if we are talking about most Gods, that are omnipotent "creatures", or whatever you'd like to think of them, would allow them to defy physics, psychology, and reality in general. So, you say that we would eventually become accustomed to the pain of hell, well, if God wanted to, he could just make it so that accustomed feeling to pain, misery, torture, etc. goes away, and once again, we're being tortured again. I was talking about the Christian God specifically, and why would he want humans to feel physical pain? What does He gain?
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 4:12 am
Mallorys Wedgie Friend Quinn+hisQuill Mallorys Wedgie Friend I think in Dante's Inferno that there was something about how the suffering would become worse for those in hell after Judgement day, as they would come into their physical body again and continue torture... I'll have to look for the specific tercet(s) that stated that. But...we're not going to take that as Theological Canon. Are we? confused Of course we're not, I was just mentioning it as something to offer an alternate view point. Thank you.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:03 am
This is probably digressing from the point but how theologically important do you think Hell is?
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:21 pm
Quinn+hisQuill This is probably digressing from the point but how theologically important do you think Hell is? I would say not at all. I consider myself a pragmatist; so I only value things that affect me in this life. What happens after I die is of no concern. The most that Hell can do before death is scare someone into living a good life, and there are better reasons to walk the straight and narrow than fear of damnation.
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