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 Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:07 pm
I have heard it everywhere i go and have seen it being taught and i will say i feel scared for the people who think that these techniques will work. Most of these schools that teach gun defense feel that a simple wrist lock will fix ur gun problem totally disregarding peoples different reactions to movement and the sound and muzzle flash accumalated from a gun. I saw some guy teaching ways to smack the gun so it doesnt point at u, most of these smacks led to the gun being mere inches away from ur their faces, so if he shot there not only would the person be blinded but also temporarily disoriented and deafened. It scares me to kno that people think this will work an saddens me to wonder wat would happen if a situation like that occured. Im not saying this out of spite, i have shot a gun and have seen training of the russian speznasz firsthand (russian special forces) i guarentee u best thing u can do is comply with their demands and only try anything if u see the person totally ignoring u or very loose and let go of the trigger, even then defense is not suggested unless u kno ur about to be shot,even then the goal is to get the gun as far as humanly possible from ur body an face, not through an fancy wrist locks but more through hitting the gun out with a heavy, blunt metal object or inducing unconsciousness on the person. And even still u should only attempt anything if u kno for a fact that ull get shot, u shouldnt do it if he's stealing ur wallet or watever, because as my brother once said to me after i experienced a situation like this, he said to me "You can cry for your wallet, but your wallet can't cry for you". So i wanna hear ur opinions on so called gun defense and wat u have to think about its effectiveness.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:05 am
I agree.
If the aggressor just demands my wallet (and is armed) then I'll give it to them without hesitation. I carry two wallets on me at all times. The first is my normal wallet which I carry in my coat pocket. It only contains loose change so if somebody demands it then it's no big loss.
My real wallet is called a security wallet which I wear under my clothes. I contains all of my valubles and hangs off my shoulder and hugs against my skin (like a gun holster). Unless they pat me down they wont find it.
The only time I would attempt to defend myself against a gun is if the aggressor is on his/her own and demanding thatI get on my knees (execution style) and is close enough to take out (in my face) then I know i've got no choice. The only thing that you can do in that situation is knock the gun away from you, grab the wrist holding the gun and beat the s**t out of the b*****d until he/she is no longer a threat.
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Delmar_Denban Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:28 am
Yea, alot of this "gun techniques" are very...illogical. Oh and that two wallet thing sounds like a good idea...I think I'll start doing that...
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:04 pm
Wow, that's pretty cool. that double Wallet thing.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:22 pm
Yea, The double wallet thing is a good idea.. I shall try it.
But I agree, Im not gonna mess around with some guy with a gun unless he really wants to blow my brains out.
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:22 am
Absolutely the only way you should try it is you know you're about to get shot. And then the only real tips are to get your hand behind the hammer (little T shaped thing at the back, doing this will render virtually any gun inopperable but you have to be bloody sure you can keep it from falling) and to point the gun at them, both highly risky and unlikely to work even against a complete amatuer.
Yep the two wallets thing is a good idea, you can get all sorts of security wallets from shoulder holsters like delmars to security belts. You can even get shoes with hidden compartments in.
Speaking of mugging, a friend of mine went to Amsterdam and got held up at knifepoint, but the mugger only demanded ~£10 ($18-20). Apparently they used to ask for very small sums of money so the person being mugged was less likely to report it to the police. Kind of "Oh it was only a tenner, I cant be asked going to the police for that", especially when the police treat you like a criminal even when you're the victim (one of the reasons I hate the bastards). Anyway the point is having a wallet with some loose change or even one note in will usually pacify most muggers, and if not you were ******** anyways
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:12 pm
DarklingGlory Absolutely the only way you should try it is you know you're about to get shot. And then the only real tips are to get your hand behind the hammer (little T shaped thing at the back, doing this will render virtually any gun inopperable but you have to be bloody sure you can keep it from falling) and to point the gun at them, both highly risky and unlikely to work even against a complete amatuer. Yep the two wallets thing is a good idea, you can get all sorts of security wallets from shoulder holsters like delmars to security belts. You can even get shoes with hidden compartments in. Speaking of mugging, a friend of mine went to Amsterdam and got held up at knifepoint, but the mugger only demanded ~£10 ($18-20). Apparently they used to ask for very small sums of money so the person being mugged was less likely to report it to the police. Kind of "Oh it was only a tenner, I cant be asked going to the police for that", especially when the police treat you like a criminal even when you're the victim (one of the reasons I hate the bastards). Anyway the point is having a wallet with some loose change or even one note in will usually pacify most muggers, and if not you were ******** anyways wow, im not sure if i should be amazed or disgusted, kinda wierd but very funny, sadly in NY they either rob u or kill u, no exceptions.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:45 am
Reim Yea, The double wallet thing is a good idea.. I shall try it. But I agree, Im not gonna mess around with some guy with a gun unless he really wants to blow my brains out. Meh, I've only been in such a situation a handful of times thankfully.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:09 am
Saajei DarklingGlory Absolutely the only way you should try it is you know you're about to get shot. And then the only real tips are to get your hand behind the hammer (little T shaped thing at the back, doing this will render virtually any gun inopperable but you have to be bloody sure you can keep it from falling) and to point the gun at them, both highly risky and unlikely to work even against a complete amatuer. Yep the two wallets thing is a good idea, you can get all sorts of security wallets from shoulder holsters like delmars to security belts. You can even get shoes with hidden compartments in. Speaking of mugging, a friend of mine went to Amsterdam and got held up at knifepoint, but the mugger only demanded ~£10 ($18-20). Apparently they used to ask for very small sums of money so the person being mugged was less likely to report it to the police. Kind of "Oh it was only a tenner, I cant be asked going to the police for that", especially when the police treat you like a criminal even when you're the victim (one of the reasons I hate the bastards). Anyway the point is having a wallet with some loose change or even one note in will usually pacify most muggers, and if not you were ******** anyways wow, im not sure if i should be amazed or disgusted, kinda wierd but very funny, sadly in NY they either rob u or kill u, no exceptions. Really darkling....Any experience with muggers Ive seen/been through not too myself but family/friends They just took the whole bag... had an odd one, In London a few years ago, will- my little brother,had a toy tiger glove puppet, it went everywhere with him, dad was making the tiger talk to him as he was crying in his pram, and a women walked past with a kid and the kid said "I want that tigger, I want that tigger," and it started crying so she snatched it off dad picked up her kid and ran off!! eek how mean is that!?
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:12 am
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:14 am
yes..
and im off back to blonde land
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:34 pm
The only unarmed defence I have seen for guns goes like this;
Distract the gunman without apearing to go for the gun. They think you are going for it, they may shoot. This is hard. Very hard. And doesn't always work.
Next, get out of the line of fire. This is a very obvious step, but has to be subtle. You go diving out of the way and you will be racing a bullet.
Now try to control the weapon. Virtualy any wristlock that bends their arm in towards themselfs. Make it so that they are aiming the gun at themselfs.
Now take the weapon from them. Get a decent distance while covering them, and then run like hell, getting rid of the weapon at a safe distance. Don't hang around, because they may have a second weapon.
Now, that is very, very, very hard to pull off. If you wanted to be able to do this kind of thing, you would have to drill and experiment untill you found a way that works for you, where you would definatly be safe. Because, when there is a gun involved, you have to be sure that you can make the move.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:34 pm
Bah. There is no gun defense.
Every person with a gun will react differently to different things, so unless you're some master of physics, phychology, martial arts, AND philosophy, there's no way.
My class, for defense, focused primarily on knife-defense. Knives are easier to buy, keep, and use without being caught than a gun is.
My teacher always said, "The best defense for a gun is doing what he says".
Even though there are theoretically things you could do - as stated, they've never been proven, so you're just practicing bullshido of your own if you think that way.
Even though about 70% of people who point a gun at you don't intend to shoot, there is no telling what they will do.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:13 pm
Im with [Q], there is no gun defence other then a gun of your own, and a friend who should also have a gun.
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:25 am
I beg to differ. There are two gun defenses.
One: Do exactly what the wielder says without hesitation or deviation. This is the obvious ploy, and the safer one.
Two: If one is not an option or will not work, as I've said before, throw something, anything. Wallet's a good one. Unless the person is extremely well-trained (in which case why is he attacking you? Were you stupid?), he will flinch, pulling line of fire off of you. While this is happening, you should be putting as much distance and cover between you and the gunman as possible, veering unpredictably and attempting to minimize profile.
Remember, kids, at ten meters range, your average gunman will miss a moving target the vast majority of the time, and that's if it's not taking specific measures to mess up clean lines of fire.
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