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 Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:29 am
Okay, so after reading over the submission information from a few recent members, I have found a couple of them absolutely adore Edward Cullen. In their eyes, he's seen as the ideal man - kind, loving, protective, etc, etc. and more than a couple have mentioned how it's terribly unfortunate that such wonderful men do not exist in the real world.
Actually, sweeties - good news! Such guys do, in fact, exist in this real world of ours - however, if you experienced such behavior personally, you wouldn't see it as anything remotely romantic or endearing.
You see, guys who share Edward Cullen's behavioral attributes in the real world are referred to as STALKERS/ABUSIVE BOYFRIENDS.
I mean, actually think about his behavior towards Bella, for pity's sake! He sneaks into her bedroom to watch her sleep (in the Midnight Sun, he even points out how he oils her window so he can sneak in unnoticed by her). He controls who her friends are, he continuously reminds her how he can easily kill her. He forces her to abide by his will (prime example is the scene in the parking lot, where he drags her to his car and demands she gets in; pointing out he'll force her inside if she tries to make a break for her vehicle).
Now, if you had a guy treating you like that in the real world, would you say he was a wonderful man looking out for your own good, or would you be pissed that he was trying to control you?
So, please - Edward Cullen fangirls; do tell me exactly why on Earth you would see a guy like him as the ideal man?
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:42 am
I agree... somewhat. :/
In the first half of the series (for the most part, book 1&2), Edward comes off as an abusive stalker.
Too over-protective, usually never letting Bella do what she wants, &&assumes it's for her safety/for the best, blablabla.
But.
He improves as a character all together later on, in the 2 latest books.
He is less-overprotective of her &&doesn't really let Bella's relationship w/ Jacob get to him.
Later on, he considers Jacob as a brother or something.
I believe that he was over-protective of Bella in the first place because, yes, he cared for her greatly (but apparently had his own way of showing it), but also because she was HUMAN.
He saw her as someone very vulnerable, hence the need to always come to her aide/rescue her/protect her.
But in BD, things get complicated &&twisted.
He eventually gets over himself &&sees her as an equal (well, Bella said that one) when she turns into a vamp.
Although.
I can see why all the fangirls think he's the 'ideal man'.
The way Meyer fantasizes about describes him in the book, it makes it seem as if Edward is pure perfection in appearance.
A Greek god, more like, or something along those lines.
He 'dazzles' people frequently, &&I see the whole 'sparkling body' thing a pun towards the 'dazzle ppl' statement. lol
In a fangirl's eyes, I could see why she would like him; he'd always be there to care for her, protect her, etc.
Still doesn't excuse his random stalker/abusive impulses, though.
&&I don't have an ideal man.
I'd love me some Alice, plz. <3
redface
Obby.
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Hula the Great Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:14 pm
Sorry to say - but over protectiveness = controlling. And controlling is a form of abuse.
Nothing remotely sexy about a guy who controls almost every aspect of his girlfriend's life with the excuse that 'It's for her own good/safety'.
And just because his behavior lessens in the later chapters does not suddenly erase the fact that he's a control freak.
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:08 pm
>>Ah, ********, Fluffy, you're making me think book Edward is a creeper gonk
The only thing that truely bugs me about him is that he kept her away from Jacob.
Mind you, I have no idea why she'd even keep going back to Jacob, but nevertheless.
Making Alice kidnap her... bribing... stalking... reading her friend's minds...
Oh no! Say it ain't so!
The man of *most* girl's dreams is truely just a gorgeous creeper who acts like the sweetest and most considerate guy on the planet!
rolleyes
Honestly, if it wasn't in first person Bella's POV I probably would've noticed those things too.
But Bella adores him and sees him as a flawless being, therefore, I adore him and see him as a(n almost) flawless being.
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:29 pm
Countess Annabelle Moore >>Ah, ********, Fluffy, you're making me think book Edward is a creeper gonk
The only thing that truely bugs me about him is that he kept her away from Jacob.
Mind you, I have no idea why she'd even keep going back to Jacob, but nevertheless.
Making Alice kidnap her... bribing... stalking... reading her friend's minds...
Oh no! Say it ain't so!
The man of *most* girl's dreams is truely just a gorgeous creeper who acts like the sweetest and most considerate guy on the planet!
rolleyes
Honestly, if it wasn't in first person Bella's POV I probably would've noticed those things too.
But Bella adores him and sees him as a flawless being, therefore, I adore him and see him as a(n almost) flawless being. Then in all honesty, she has a warped sense in what makes a guy a perfect, flawless being. I mean, this guy had her pinned in a vehicle and strapped in against her wishes, a guy who snuck into her room countless times without her consent or knowledge, a guy who continuously reminded her how he could kill her (to name a few things) and that is seen as flawless male perfection? O.o
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:35 pm
>>It's not like he wouldn't have backed down if she has wanted him to.
But she wanted him around so he kept coming.
Mostly, that was to remind her he only has so much self control and they shouldn't have sex.
Or to show he was dangerous and if she was smart she would stay away from him.
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:40 pm
buuuut, we must remember it is fiction. irl, if some guy was sneaking into my room by night and then watching me, i'd be creeped out and probably call the police and get a restraining order. but, in the books, bella is positively delighted that eddykins is in her room. and seeing as it's written from bella's point of view, who tends to overlooks things such as that on focus on how hot he is, and how much she loves him, then the reader also thinks like bella and falls in love with him too. and by that stage, who cares if he's a bit stalky?
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:52 pm
>>@Hat: EXACTLY!
Personally, though, I would love it if my not-boyfriend would sneak into my room everynight and spend the night with me.
Since he's not a vampire, well, I'll leave it at that wink
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:52 pm
Agreeing to an extent here as well.
Of course lots of the fans are going to adore Edward, the point of view of the story idolizes and practically worships him. Hell he's a Greek god to her! He is at the beginning stalker-ish and abusive-like but as Hula said it was because he viewed her as a weak human. He is a killing machine and he knows it.
The idea behind what he was doing was sweet but the way he went about it wasn't the right thing to do at all. He watches her sleep because for some odd reason he find her fascinating to watch and yeah this is weird. But I wouldn't consider this making him a stalker because honestly if his intentions were bad he would be doing A LOT more knowing that he could get away with it. He's just watching over her literally, which doesn't excuse him from the whole thing being wrong but he had the right intention.
He doesn't control who his friends are. He didn't want her around Jacob because 1. Is a new shape shifter and if he got angry, he could probably kill her, 2. JACOB IS HIS RIVAL. Of course he doesn't want Bella around him! They're both after her. He has ways of keeping Bella away from him and he's going to use them. If any guy in the world had the same power to keep his girl away from their rivals they probably would. Again the way he went about keeping her from him was done WAY to possessive like and wrong but I'd say it's more of a guy thing really.
He continuously reminded her that he can kill her so that she'd get it through her head that he's not right for her and she should stay away from him. It wasn't a threat, just a reminder that never fully registered in her head. And if it did, she just ignored it.
He doesn't drag her to his car. He said he'd take her home because she almost fainted. They walked to his car and she was pondering making a break to her car and driving herself home. He told her that he can just drag her back if she tried but he meant it jokingly not seriously. I don't see Edward dragging Bella around, specially when she almost fainted a few minutes before then and he already sees her a weak human.
Just trying to give Edward a better-ish look, though he screws himself royally XD. No he is not the ideal man, there is just no such thing really. I have dated someone that was more-or-less Edward-like (personality-wise) and it was horrible. A year and a half later the guy wanted to get married already (I was 18 he was 20), unlike Bella, I said no and stuck by it. He ended up breaking up with me for that (which truly hurt but definitely felt awesome afterward). Edward is OK overall but not for me, his decisions are always to the extreme, rarely in the middle ground. He gets better towards to the end of the series but he definitely is far from perfect.
Fluffy you REALLY have to read the book to bring up scenes and points that aren't mentioned often in the forums. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:02 pm
Madame_Fluffy Sorry to say - but over protectiveness = controlling. And controlling is a form of abuse. Nothing remotely sexy about a guy who controls almost every aspect of his girlfriend's life with the excuse that 'It's for her own good/safety'. And just because his behavior lessens in the later chapters does not suddenly erase the fact that he's a control freak.
But he gets better about it; the 2nd half of the series, he isn't too bad.
At least he improved, though.
That's gotta count for something.
If he hadn't changed AT ALL since the beginning, then yeah, I'd hate him.
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Hula the Great Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:09 pm
Hula the Great Madame_Fluffy Sorry to say - but over protectiveness = controlling. And controlling is a form of abuse. Nothing remotely sexy about a guy who controls almost every aspect of his girlfriend's life with the excuse that 'It's for her own good/safety'. And just because his behavior lessens in the later chapters does not suddenly erase the fact that he's a control freak.
But he gets better about it; the 2nd half of the series, he isn't too bad.
At least he improved, though.
That's gotta count for something.
If he hadn't changed AT ALL since the beginning, then yeah, I'd hate him.Actually how he was towards the end of the series kind of annoyed me and I do hate him a bit for that. He REALLY needs to find a middle ground.
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:40 pm
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Hula the Great Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:42 pm
Lol. xD
How was Edward towards the end of the series?
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:56 pm
Hula the Great Lol. xD
How was Edward towards the end of the series? Almost completely passive, at least compared to how he was in Twilight.
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:57 pm
Hula the Great Lol. xD
How was Edward towards the end of the series? I have no idea. The only things I hear about him in the final chapter is how he tore into the protective membrane around Renesmee with his teeth and turned Bella into a vampire (like she always wanted - albeit, while she was unconscious, robbing her of any official say in the matter). Yeah yeah, I can hear it now. 'But Bella always wanted to be a vampire, so it's okay! Besides, she was dying and it shows how much he loves her by turning her to save her!'. Good intentions or not, it's still robbing her of that final decision. Right now - it's all fine and good; seeing as she's now epic Mary Sue with her vampified self and has uber sexy time with her hubby (XP); but what happens if it ever sunk into her that she could never have any more children (Renesmee is it), that her parents will die long before she will, etc, etc. In the end, Edward robbed Bella of a normal life. But then, I suppose it doesn't matter, seeing as Bella was so bloody infatuated with her meyerpire boyfriend/hubby that nothing else matters.
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