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Ryiel
But who wants to write an essay? gonk


And just for the occasion, I will effectively not allow this thread to die to show off the useless and yet slightly amusing GIF animation I made specifically because people won't leave this thread as a rotting maggot infested corpse at the bottom of the ten foot deep hole that used to be it's grave. So I will take over that position and exumer for the soul purpose of showing off how wonderfully I wasted my time.

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It was totally about this thread. I'm serious. I got annoyed and vented by making a GIF animation. I have no life.


Awesome animation by the way...
Coffee and Alcohol
Coffee and Alcohol
And, you know, the problem with character sheets beyond all the things I addressed in my last post is that they fragment the whole. I mean, you can fill out all this crap, and still not have a character who seems internally consistent, because who they are is just this slapped-together mess of random factoids with no underlying unifying structure. Characters evolve wholistically, not as a list of blurbs on a page.


I only use my developed characters in these kinds of Character sheets. I would never fill out a character sheet beyond simple information with a fresh person.
CommandoDude
Coffee and Alcohol
Coffee and Alcohol
And, you know, the problem with character sheets beyond all the things I addressed in my last post is that they fragment the whole. I mean, you can fill out all this crap, and still not have a character who seems internally consistent, because who they are is just this slapped-together mess of random factoids with no underlying unifying structure. Characters evolve wholistically, not as a list of blurbs on a page.


I only use my developed characters in these kinds of Character sheets. I would never fill out a character sheet beyond simple information with a fresh person.

I still fail to see how filling out a grocery list of character traits is in any way convenient - either because you're writing tons of interconnected crap about why the character is the way they are, in each of the fields, and needlessly repeating yourself, or because if you aren't, you're still having to try to remember every detail of how and why the character arrived at that point (which goes against the point of notes, i.e. to make sure you don't forget anything and have all the information available for easy recall).
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CommandoDude
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Coffee and Alcohol
And, you know, the problem with character sheets beyond all the things I addressed in my last post is that they fragment the whole. I mean, you can fill out all this crap, and still not have a character who seems internally consistent, because who they are is just this slapped-together mess of random factoids with no underlying unifying structure. Characters evolve wholistically, not as a list of blurbs on a page.


I only use my developed characters in these kinds of Character sheets. I would never fill out a character sheet beyond simple information with a fresh person.

I still fail to see how filling out a grocery list of character traits is in any way convenient - either because you're writing tons of interconnected crap about why the character is the way they are, in each of the fields, and needlessly repeating yourself, or because if you aren't, you're still having to try to remember every detail of how and why the character arrived at that point (which goes against the point of notes, i.e. to make sure you don't forget anything and have all the information available for easy recall).


I suppose. If you fill out a character sheet while trying to develop a character, I would be very possible to end up with a "mary-sue" type of character because they would be made up of all the "best" qualities.

Pardon me for intruding in the conversation. I just thought I'd say that little diddy.
Senryoske
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CommandoDude
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Coffee and Alcohol
And, you know, the problem with character sheets beyond all the things I addressed in my last post is that they fragment the whole. I mean, you can fill out all this crap, and still not have a character who seems internally consistent, because who they are is just this slapped-together mess of random factoids with no underlying unifying structure. Characters evolve wholistically, not as a list of blurbs on a page.


I only use my developed characters in these kinds of Character sheets. I would never fill out a character sheet beyond simple information with a fresh person.

I still fail to see how filling out a grocery list of character traits is in any way convenient - either because you're writing tons of interconnected crap about why the character is the way they are, in each of the fields, and needlessly repeating yourself, or because if you aren't, you're still having to try to remember every detail of how and why the character arrived at that point (which goes against the point of notes, i.e. to make sure you don't forget anything and have all the information available for easy recall).


I suppose. If you fill out a character sheet while trying to develop a character, I would be very possible to end up with a "mary-sue" type of character because they would be made up of all the "best" qualities.

Pardon me for intruding in the conversation. I just thought I'd say that little diddy.

I don't see what your post has to do with anything I said. I didn't say anything about Sues or flaws or anything of the sort - my concerns were only about integrity of the information and the best way of recording it.
I feel as if I should voice my opinion once more. Why? Simply because I have nothing better to do.

Sometimes, you Google “character sheets” or something like that and get these really long things. They’re asking everything from name to age to maiden name to bra size to boxers or briefs to favorite animal to hairstyle to skin color to ex-girlfriends, etc. It gets long and daunting, but some people like them long. In truth, this sometimes hinders the writing process as the writer is thinking of only consistency. (And the sheets are sometimes excessively long.)

Well, truth be told, some people have contradictory traits and do things that contradict their actions, philosophies, etc. (I am one of those people.) Sometimes, people are as arbitrary as the weather. While it’s good to keep things consistent, straying slightly off the normal path isn’t exactly unheard of. So this is my character sheet.
NAME:
AGE:
DATE OF BIRTH:
*NATIONALITY/RACE:
OCCUPATION:
HAIR COLOR:
EYE COLOR:
**HEIGHT:
**WEIGHT:
PERSONALITY:
FUNCTION IN STORY:
RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER CHARACTERS:
*Nationality may not be a huge deal. However, if it’s a non-Caucasian nationality, it MAY make its way into the story and become an integral element. I can think of Harper Lee’s To Kill a Mockingbird and John Grisham’s A Time to Kill where nationality/race was a huge deal. Even in today’s politics, race is an issue. (Obama…)
**The specific numerical value most likely won’t be revealed in the story. The only time I mention height and weight is through words such as “tall,” “rotund,” “overweight,” etc. The numeric value, to me, helps me with character description.

Since personality can't really be limited by any means, go crazy.

This, in my opinion, is all you really need to know about any given character. If your characters happen to discuss favorite foods, write it in. However, you shouldn’t think of such trivial things when planning a character. The trivial things, such as favorite food, favorite books, etc., that have no relevance to the story should be added onto the character sheet as you write them into the story.

The “Function in Story” and “Relationship to Other Characters,” besides the name, are perhaps the most important items on this list. I personally believe it helps remind the writer where this character stands in the story. Sometimes, when you forget the point of a character being there, that can derail your entire story and into a ditch of s**t.

You may be asking, “What about the character’s past?!” Well, ******** that. In a “character sheet,” that has nothing to do with the character but everything to do with the ***plot. The personality is merely the result of the past. Therefore, timelines are an amazing tool to use in order to establish any character’s past. I have a timeline for each character’s history. Then I have an uber-timeline that shows where every character’s history overlaps. In fact, that’s easier (in my opinion) than writing paragraphs and pages of history and never knowing what overlaps where. Visually being able to see what happened when and who was where while it happened.
***I consider “plot” to be events in a linear stream of time--past, present, and future.

Does this work for everyone? No, but neither does the excessively long thing. I like my method of character sheets.
wow, this is quite nice. Just wanted to say that I appriciate this. xp
To: Coffee and Alcohol

Sorry. You were correct in saying I had nothing to do with what you were talking about.
I'm tempted to fill this out.
Wow, that's really detailed. Thanks!
wow...
this is exactly what i need...!

i have this obsession about fully trying to get into my character's head when i write... and more often then not, it turns out horribly, horribly wrong and i never finish the story becasue i'm so caught up on the one chatacter.

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ok, i just re read that, and it's a complete 180 on what i wanted to say in the first place.

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sorry...!
Rajkumari
I'm tempted to fill this out.


A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!
I tried to write down a character description once. It came out as a four page story... confused
Wow. This is really, really long, but really, really helpful, even though I probably won't use half of this information. mrgreen

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