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What is WIN?:

WIN is short for Whip Inflation Now, an old government campaign that attempted to stop inflation in the United States but failed. However, if we DO work together, maybe we can stop the Gaian market from continuing to spiral out of control.

What is inflation, anyway?:

Inflation happens out in the real world, also. If the economy is bad, the inflation rate is usually higher.

Inflation is actually what caused the stock market crash of 1929 and the Great Depression. Even though Gaia probably won't suffer from an economic depression, the large price increases make it very intimidating for newbies and oldbies alike, especially when questing. I think many of us know what it feels like to start a quest for an item that is 15k, then watch it rise to 50k in a month or two, referring to the Nitemare and Angelic Headbands.

What is our goal?:

We want to save the Gaia Exchange from the horrific price rises, keeping them both reasonable and satisfactory to both buyers AND sellers.

Why we made this thread?:

We all understand that the prices of items, even non-event and donation ones, are inflated beyond normal reason; we want to put an end to this. We know that old donation items are expensive and rare to obtain, but the greed of Gaians is out of control as well. People are attempting to get the most gold as possible out of items, driving the prices up and up, until they begin to rise uncontrollably. We are perfectly aware of the concepts of supply and demand, the quantities of donation items being limited, and many people in line waiting to buy them.

For Example, take the ever-lusted-after Fuzzy Penguin Slippers:

They were 20k in December. Suppose they rose at a steady rate of 5k per month, meaning they would be 25k in January, 30k in February, 35k in March, and 40k in April. Then, why are they 50k right now? Who do we have to blame? The questers, or the sellers?

Partially both. Because the quester wants the item, and the seller knows they will pay a higher price to get it. As one gaian put it: "Both--as supply become scarce and more people want the item, the sellers demand a raise of the price. But the ever-quick leap of 20K in nearly two months is ridiculous. It makes it harder for those who are almost done with their quest--they now have to obtain 20 more K."

Now, let's put this in the seller's point of view. Let's say a Gaian, S3RT74 (This is not meant to be an actual Gaian's name; if it is, we will change it.), wants to sell their Demonic Pitchfork for their Angelic Pendant quest. They go to the marketplace and see people selling the pitchfork for 14 - 30k. Now, Gaian S3RT74 is a reasonable person and decides that they will sell it for 15k, even though the 30k is tempting, because they will be closer to finishing their quest faster.

What are we going to do?:

Buy and sell items only at store prices or lower; buy and sell donation items for their actual value; buy and sell trunks, gift boxes, uncommons, rares, and fish for their actual values; and donate to people who we see selling items for their actual values.

Why can it ONLY work with YOUR HELP?:

If only a few Gaians lowered their selling prices and did such, they would be left penniless, but if we got over a hundred, maybe even a THOUSAND Gaians to support our cause, we would maybe begin to get the economy back under control.

What can YOU DO to help?:

Boycott--don't buy anything in the marketplace unless you've researched it and see it's the lowest it's sold at. If the lowest it's sold at is still above the store price, go buy it there. Never buy a sealed for more than 5k.

Reason with yourself--If you're buying, ask yourself a few questions. Do you want the item you are buying? Is it overpriced? Will I wear it? If I were selling it, would it be this price? If you're selling: Is the item I'm selling worth how much I'm selling it for? Would I pay this much for this item if I were buying it?

Spread the word!--Put a banner, or if there's not enough room, a link, in your signature. Link us in a thread of yours, or just direct others here!


  • Of course, this WILL cost us a lot of gold, but we're attempting to make this place better and more fun for newbies and oldbies alike. So, this WILL take us a lot of work, and we will need your support.
  • We are NOT a charity, OR a petition. Of course, we are going to keep track of our supporters but not count them constantly and try to make a statement to the moderators and administrators by doing so. We're trying to make a statement to the rest of Gaia, saying we don't want to deal with this anymore!
  • We do understand steady price increases, but I don't think I want to pay 20k for a pink box or see the Headbands hit 100k anytime soon.
  • Some people will be greedy no matter what, we understand that also.
  • Just because we can't stop inflation doesn't mean we can't object to it!

Notice: If you disagree with our thread, please don't just flat out flame us. Please explain why you disagree and your reasoning. Posts of "THIS THREAD SUCKS! scream " will only get you blacklisted.


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akgjka!! People please:

This isn't an attempt to stop inflation--it's our protest and opinion. As a protest, we know it won't stop--SO, STOP TELLING US IT WON'T! Also, stop giving us the defination of supply and demand. WE KNOW WHAT IT IS!

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So true...Stupid baby seal slippers....e.e;;
You make an excellent point, especially regarding the selling of items at reasonable prices. Gold is constantly generated so why would you need to sell an item (especailly one that isn't discontinued but simply rare) at such high costs?

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I agree, I'm questing for Mini Angel Wings, I've seen them go for around 9 Million gold. with cost like that + Inflation, It'll take me forever to get them.
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They were 20k in December. Suppose they rose at a steady rate of 5k per month, meaning they would be 25k in January, 30k in February, 35k in March, and 40k in April. Then, why are they 50k right now?


While I agree that the inflation might be a bit much (and have a number of examples), this argument simply isn't reasonable. As the population grows and the number of the items available shrinks (from people leaving or simply keeping the items) the growth rate will go up faster. I'm planning to track the progression of a number of donation/uncommon/rare items over the summer to see what the groth rates are like.

edit: I was asked by someone to put this link in:

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6407082
I support you!
I think this inflation of prices is rediculous and has gotten out of control.
I'm no newbie, but I've been here since august 04 and I must say, even NOW with spending no gold on anything since I started, I still wouldn't be able to get some of the rare items being sold.

1 million gold? Come on people, that is ******** robbery!
I agree.

If you look at the nitemare scarf's they shot from 150-200k to 480-500k in days.
I MADE A THREAD CALLED THE GAIAN BLACK MARKET. MAYBE YOU CAN SELL STUFF FOR CHEAP THERE.

THE GAIAN BLACK MARKET
If you're not interested in donation items or older event items, inflation usually isn't much of a problem. Sure, nitemare/angelic headbands have been getting more expensive lately, but those are an exception to the rule.

Admins will always keep store items at a constant price, so you don't need to worry about inflation there. And, if anything, rares and uncommons are selling for less than they were when I joined in September 2003. I remember 10k pink giftboxes and 2k-3k trunks quite clearly, and now trunks are 1.5k or less and giftboxes are 7k-8k, usually.

The older donation items, especially, are a pain in the butt - but what can you do? Even petitions have a hard time getting supporters, and this is asking for a lot more effort than that. I understand that not everyone has enough time to profit from exchanging or talent to profit from art, so they have a hard time saving for those expensive items, but nothing can always be completely fair to everyone.

Though, the people who cause false inflation piss me off. Thankfully I can ignore those people since I have every item that I want.
You people are horribly horribly sad.

"I didn't do anything at all to try to increase my monetary supply and I can't buy things I couldn't buy before! WAAAAH!"

"Things cost more when everyone has more money! WAAAH!"

"Let's cut prices so that everything is cheaper! Then I can have more stuff!"


GUH.

Use some qor-accursed common sense, if you have it!


EVERYONE gets more money *all the time*.

Therefore, money MUST, BY DEFINITION, have less value.

Contrariwise, the number of people wanting rare things goes UP.

Thus. Things that are discontinued (donation items), have a *massive* price increase due to TWO pressures you CANNOT solve.

Things that have a fixed per-person-per-time frequency (box items) will have an increase as well, but to a lesser degree.

There is a very simple, very easy way to eliminate inflation.

Stop having anyone get any more gold (or at least, any 'free' gold). If Gold could only be acquired through pink links and the sale of items, inflation would stop.

Don't like that? Then SHUT UP about inflation, because that's the only way it'll ever end.

Rainbow Swapper

supply and demand governs all economic transactions and if it is heavily tampered with can cause serious problems and inflation can never truly be kept from rising u just need to keep the rate low u cannot stop it

Yay im an economics student
Will this work... Probably not.

I mean who wouldn't want to sell her seals off for 56k when there actually worth like 20k. Greediness. AWFULL!

We can't really change peoples characteristics..like greediness..

I support it in some ways, but there is a question if this will work.

Note that i don't support it fully.

-DE

I agree. I understand the need for price increases especially in Donation items, but in rares and uncommons that are still being given out? It's insane. Early this month people were selling sealed envelopes for 6k+. I never go over 5k, and in fact often go lower than that. It's so hard to keep up. Especially since I'm still a fairly new member, only been around for about 3 months, so there are many past donation items I'd like but will simply never be able to own.

Another point I saw someone make in another thread:

Exchange(and Marketplace) whores. Many(or at least some) of the high priced donation items are simply circulating amongst the exchange whores rather than actually getting into the hands of gaians who'd actually wear and use the items.

And as for people selling store items for over store prices, it's sheer idiocy. WHo will actually ever buy it? If I sell a store item I usually try to sell it for a littl less. i.e.- the taj shirt is 350, i sold it for 300. I'm still making a profit compared to if I sold it back to the store, so what's the big deal with skyrocketing prices in the marketplace. It's so intimidating. sad

The problem is the marketplace and exchangers see an item selling low or medium amount they grab it up to sell for higher. SO this probably won't work, but would be great if it did.

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