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<center>Please read all the following information, it outlines already discussed issues and my come back, so we don't cycle the points, thanks. smile </center>

Note: Things may seem out of place on this post, but I'm responding to the posts of other people to let you know my answers, so we don't go through the same issues over and over.
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I've been looking at the avatars lately, and I've been seeing a large amount of the with cigarets in their hands. My mother and sister (48 and 17) smoke. I think it's a bad idea. It not only dangers the life of the smoker, but also the lives of those around them. By Gaia allowing people to purchase cigarets (even if they are pixels), they're setting an example. Gaia is saying that smoking looks cool, and isn't bad. I think that it should stop being sold, and maybe even refunded to those who purchased them.

By making cigarets available for purchase, Gaia is indorsing them. If Gaia had ignored the item, there would be no issue, would there? I'd rather Gaia didn't indorse them rather than indorse them, don't you? We do have free choice, but that doesn't mean we can't be influenced. With all the peer-pressure, we don't need a large, interest-based, influencial website to indorse cigarets.
Gaia saying smoking is wrong isn't at all unreasonable. It kills! My sister has asthma from it, gym is difficult for me, mainly due to the fact my entire life I've been around smokers. Who can say smoking isn't bad?

All sexual references (pimpin' set) should include a warning and advice to use protection and have sex wisely. Not all pimp-dressing people are pimps, but all smokers smoke. smile Pimps are not the ussue at hand.

Prostitution is linked to the pimpin' outfit, smoking is directly connected to the cigarets! Cigarets are not an indirect reference.

Avatars are not what I am concerned about! I'm concerned about the people on this website. There are nine year-olds who visit this site regularly.

Smoking is done in real life, but it's slowly being eliminated from public places! Please don't use that as an excuse. =P

It is your choice to buy it, is it the choice of the younger innocent children, whos minds are being shaped by the images, to view such things? By seeing cigarets used so carelessly, and in such an irresponsible mannor, these young children are being influenced. They may not know it, but by viewing these images, they're being told, deep in their psyche that smoking isn't as bad. The more images they see of this, the larger the impact.


  • Schools have banned cigaret advertising clothing and apparel
  • All packages of cigarets have a Surgeon General's warning (most don't pay attention to the warning)
  • Cigarets have hundres of chemicals in them, including Rat Poison
  • Cigarets are said to be more harmful to those who breath second-hand smoke


(Cigarets is spelt correctly according to www.dictionary.com)
Dictionary.com

cig?a?rette also cig?a?ret ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sige-ret, sige-ret)
n.

  1. A small roll of finely cut tobacco for smoking, enclosed in a wrapper of thin paper.
  2. A similar roll of another substance, such as a tobacco substitute or marijuana.

Blado
Gaia is saying that smoking looks cool, and isn't bad.
I feel you're assuming a little too much here. Gaian users are presented with a choice of whether they wish to purchase the cig or not, and Gaia says nothing about whether it is or isn't bad.

Doting Darling

I agree with calmer. It's a similar issue to the inclusion of multiple religious texts in public libraries- no value judgement is being made, simply an effort to present all options.
The removal of the 'cig', a longstanding item, on the other hand, would constitute a moral judgement by Gaia that smoking is wrong and should not be practiced.
And this is a judgement Gaia should not make; it functions as an effective 'state' and should thus not be responsible for legislating morality.
That kind of thing is a slippery slope.
Gaia isn't necessarily saying that smoking looks cool. Just becuase they make the item doesn't mean they're promoting it to be "cool". People on Gaia are making their own choices. This is largely an RPing site, and I know many people like to dress their avatars like their characters. Maybe their character smokes. Even so, it really isn't bad if your avatar smokes. That doesn't mean you do.
I believe that it is up to the person if they want to purchase it or not. I am against smoking and refuse to let anyone use my lighter to light up a cigarette. But it is their choice. Calmer is right in that by denying it they are saying it is wrong. I wonder how many of the creaters smoke?
I dont think there should be.
Aren't the whole "Pimpin'" sets a slightly larger problem than little cigarettes?


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Dictionary.com

cig?a?rette also cig?a?ret ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sige-ret, sige-ret)
n.

  1. A small roll of finely cut tobacco for smoking, enclosed in a wrapper of thin paper.
  2. A similar roll of another substance, such as a tobacco substitute or marijuana.
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cig?a?rette also cig?a?ret ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sige-ret, sige-ret)
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meh...i don't care...it's not spelled like that in any real dictionary...dictionary.com is an internet site...there's bound to be something wrong with it...it's cigarette C-I-G-A-R-E-T-T-E...
Sinner
Aren't the whole "Pimpin'" sets a slightly larger problem than little cigarettes?


Possibly, though given the disassociation of the word "pimpin'" from the reality of pimps and whores, some people might find it less objectionable than cigarettes. One could argue that while cigarettes are likely to have health consequenses, dressing like a whore does not necessarily mean that one will act as a whore and contract veneral diseases.


(Alternately, "Remember kids; being a whore can give you venereal diseases!" should be added to the text of the Pimpin' set, because I'd love to see that.)

Dapper Genius

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Thanks, I'm making all responses in my main post! smile
Crysiana
Sinner
Aren't the whole "Pimpin'" sets a slightly larger problem than little cigarettes?


Possibly, though given the disassociation of the word "pimpin'" from the reality of pimps and whores, some people might find it less objectionable than cigarettes. One could argue that while cigarettes are likely to have health consequenses, dressing like a whore does not necessarily mean that one will act as a whore and contract veneral diseases.


Yeah, I see your point. Still, they're freakin' avatars. They aren't going to get cancer anytime soon. And if you're going to choose between promoting cigarettes and promoting pimping, I'd be greatly worried by those who choose the latter.
Sinner
Crysiana
Sinner
Aren't the whole "Pimpin'" sets a slightly larger problem than little cigarettes?


Possibly, though given the disassociation of the word "pimpin'" from the reality of pimps and whores, some people might find it less objectionable than cigarettes. One could argue that while cigarettes are likely to have health consequenses, dressing like a whore does not necessarily mean that one will act as a whore and contract veneral diseases.


Yeah, I see your point. Still, they're freakin' avatars. They aren't going to get cancer anytime soon. And if you're going to choose between promoting cigarettes and promoting pimping, I'd be greatly worried by those who choose the latter.


Well, yes, I do agree that advocating renting other people's bodies for a living is more objectionable than breathing in carcinogens.

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Again, the pimpin' suit isn't what I brought up. If you would like, I can make another thread for that after Cigarets are taken off the shelves.
Blado
Again, the pimpin' suit isn't what I brought up. If you would like, I can make another thread for that after Cigarets are taken off the shelves.


Yeah, right, like Cigs are going to be removed. rolleyes

Besides, I don't care if you mentioned it or not. It's ridiculous for you to complain about the evils of one item while ignoring the bigger problem.

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The bigger problem being...? Your inclination to allow others to think smoking is positive while it kills unexpecting victims?

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