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The following was taken directly from the book of Exodus in the 6 followings versions of the bible. If someone would kindly explain to me why god had to kill all the livestock in egypt 3 times in a matter of days to get his point across, then I'll quiet down. Not much, but a bit. Oh, and how the Pharoah and the Egyptians got all those dead horses to pull their chariots. How'd that work?

King James:

Plague #5
9:6 And the LORD did that thing on the morrow, and all the cattle of Egypt died: but of the cattle of the children of Israel died not one.

Plague #7
9:19 Send therefore now, and gather thy cattle, and all that thou hast in the field; for upon every man and beast which shall be found in the field, and shall not be brought home, the hail shall come down upon them, and they shall die.

Plague #10
12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

Aftermath:
14:6 And he made ready his chariot, and took his people with him:
14:7 And he took six hundred chosen chariots, and all the chariots of Egypt, and captains over every one of them.
14:8 And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel: and the children of Israel went out with an high hand.

New International Version:

Plague #5
9:6 And the next day the LORD did it: All the livestock of the Egyptians died, but not one animal belonging to the Israelites died.

Plague #7
9:19 Give an order now to bring your livestock and everything you have in the field to a place of shelter, because the hail will fall on every man and animal that has not been brought in and is still out in the field, and they will die.' "

Plague #10
12:29 At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.

Aftermath:
14:6 So he had his chariot made ready and took his army with him.
14:7 He took six hundred of the best chariots, along with all the other chariots of Egypt, with officers over all of them.
14:8 The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, so that he pursued the Israelites, who were marching out boldly.
14:9 The Egyptiansall Pharaoh's horses and chariots, horsemen and troopspursued the Israelites and overtook them as they camped by the sea near Pi Hahiroth, opposite Baal Zephon.

New Living Translation:

Plague #5
9:5 The LORD announced that he would send the plague the very next day, 9:6 and he did it, just as he had said. The next morning all the livestock of the Egyptians began to die, but the Israelites didn't lose a single animal from their flocks and herds.
9:7 Pharaoh sent officials to see whether it was true that none of the Israelites' animals were dead. But even after he found it to be true, his heart remained stubborn. He still refused to let the people go.

Plague #7
9:19 Quick! Order your livestock and servants to come in from the fields. Every person or animal left outside will die beneath the hail.' "
9:20 Some of Pharaoh's officials believed what the LORD said. They immediately brought their livestock and servants in from the fields.
9:21 But those who had no respect for the word of the LORD left them out in the open.

Plague #10
12:29 And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed.

Aftermath:
14:6 So Pharaoh called out his troops and led the chase in his chariot.
14:7 He took with him six hundred of Egypt's best chariots, along with the rest of the chariots of Egypt, each with a commander.
14:8 The LORD continued to strengthen Pharaoh's resolve, and he chased after the people of Israel who had escaped so defiantly.
14:9 All the forces in Pharaoh's army--all his horses, chariots, and charioteers--were used in the chase. The Egyptians caught up with the people of Israel as they were camped beside the shore near Pi-hahiroth, across from Baal-zephon.

New American Standard Translation:

Plague #5
9:6 So the LORD did this thing on the next day, and all the livestock of Egypt died; but of the livestock of the sons of Israel, not one died.

Plague #7
9:19 "Now therefore send, bring your livestock and whatever you have in the field to safety. Every man and beast that is found in the field and is not brought home, when the hail comes down on them, will die."'

Plague #10
12:29 Now it came about at midnight that the LORD struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of cattle.

Aftermath:
14:6 So he made his chariot ready and took his people with him;
14:7 and he took six hundred select chariots, and all the other chariots of Egypt with officers over all of them.
14:8 The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and he chased after the sons of Israel as the sons of Israel were going out boldly.
14:9 Then the Egyptians chased after them with all the horses and chariots of Pharaoh, his horsemen and his army, and they overtook them camping by the sea, beside Pi-hahiroth, in front of Baal-zephon.

Contemporary English Version:

Plague #5
9:6 It happened the next day--all of the animals belonging to the Egyptians died, but the Israelites did not lose even one.

Plague #7
9:19 You had better give orders for every person and every animal in Egypt to take shelter. If they don't, they will die.

Plague #10
12:29 At midnight the LORD killed the first-born son of every Egyptian family, from the son of the king to the son of every prisoner in jail. He also killed the first-born male of every animal that belonged to the Egyptians.

Aftermath:
14:6 The king got his war chariot and army ready.
14:7 He commanded his officers in charge of his six hundred best chariots and all his other chariots to start after the Israelites.
14:8 The LORD made the king so stubborn that he went after them, even though the Israelites proudly went on their way.
14:9 But the king's horses and chariots and soldiers caught up with them while they were camping by the Red Sea near Pi-Hahiroth and Baal-Zephon.

Amplified Version:

Plague #5
9:6 And the Lord did that the next day, and all livestock of Egypt died; but of the livestock of the Israelites not one died.

Plague #7
9:19 Send therefore now and gather your cattle in hastily, and all that you have in the field; for every man and beast that is in the field and is not brought home shall be struck by the hail and shall die.

Plague #10
12:29 At midnight the Lord slew every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the prisoner in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the livestock.
Aftermath:
14:6 And he made ready his chariots and took his army,
14:7 And took 600 chosen chariots and all the other chariots of Egypt, with officers over all of them.
14:8 The Lord made hard and strong the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued the Israelites, for[they left proudly and defiantly.
14:9 The Egyptians pursued them, all the horses and chariots of Pharaoh and his horsemen and his army, and overtook them encamped at the Sea by Pi-hahiroth, in front of Baal-zephon.
The Egyptians, fresh out of horses, had to rely on the then untested giant land-squid. The result was at best a dissapointment.

Plus God likes killing cattle. It is kind of His thing.

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The Egyptians, fresh out of horses, had to rely on the then untested giant land-squid. The result was at best a dissapointment.

Plus God likes killing cattle. It is kind of His thing.


Nooooo! I've been defeated! But seriously, are they just ignoring this thread? God killed those dead animals THREE times! And those poor horses FOUR times!
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Nooooo! I've been defeated! But seriously, are they just ignoring this thread? God killed those dead animals THREE times! And those poor horses FOUR times!
I consider some parts of the Bible like a drinking game- there's some fantastic repetition. I dare you to try and figure out at what point all stars are knocked from the sky in Revelations.

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Nooooo! I've been defeated! But seriously, are they just ignoring this thread? God killed those dead animals THREE times! And those poor horses FOUR times!
I consider some parts of the Bible like a drinking game- there's some fantastic repetition. I dare you to try and figure out at what point all stars are knocked from the sky in Revelations.


Like a moose from a cliff's edge. I'd say...Sometime after Jesus plays ninja in Hell.
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The Egyptians, fresh out of horses, had to rely on the then untested giant land-squid. The result was at best a dissapointment.

Plus God likes killing cattle. It is kind of His thing.


Nooooo! I've been defeated! But seriously, are they just ignoring this thread? God killed those dead animals THREE times! And those poor horses FOUR times!

Plenty of the Old Testament does not make much sense. But to its credit it WAS written thousands of years ago. Maybe the logic that all of something can only be killed once did not appear obvious to the authors at the time.

Plus you have to admit that chariots pulled by giant land squid would be awesomeness from concentrate.

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The Egyptians, fresh out of horses, had to rely on the then untested giant land-squid. The result was at best a dissapointment.

Plus God likes killing cattle. It is kind of His thing.


Nooooo! I've been defeated! But seriously, are they just ignoring this thread? God killed those dead animals THREE times! And those poor horses FOUR times!

Plenty of the Old Testament does not make much sense. But to its credit it WAS written thousands of years ago. Maybe the logic that all of something can only be killed once did not appear obvious to the authors at the time.

Plus you have to admit that chariots pulled by giant land squid would be awesomeness from concentrate.


I immediately thought, 'The Russians did, I know this as fact, OMGLANDSQUID!"
Nice, you found yet another contradiction/oddity in the Bible. Personally, I can't explain it, seeing as God "works in mysterious ways" wink

That's probably the best explanation you're going to get from somebody..sadly.

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Nice, you found yet another contradiction/oddity in the Bible. Personally, I can't explain it, seeing as God "works in mysterious ways" wink

That's probably the best explanation you're going to get from somebody..sadly.


You know, I've found the same thing, I've asked so many people what to think of this. The most discerning, however, was from my own mother, the woman that taught me to question and think about everything. She told me not to question or probe it, that what I was doing was wrong and will only lead me to sorrow. rofl Silly people...
Ugh....too much....religion. My head's about to explode.
That's just Ku-wayze!
Sorry...Lol!
Tarquin Aluclaire
The Egyptians, fresh out of horses, had to rely on the then untested giant land-squid. The result was at best a dissapointment.

Plus God likes killing cattle. It is kind of His thing.


There's probably a fetish for that.
For one, the passage said "cattle" and chariots are pulled by horses, which are not cattle.

And God did it to prove his power. It wasn't the Pharoah's decision to say no, it was God's. God willed it so that Pharoah would decline Moses' offer so that he could show the people how much of a badass he was by slaughtering everything and creating lesions to cover the skin of innocent Egyptian Chrildren.

It says that right there in the Bible. God's a egomaniacal d**k in the old testament.
Answer to the first part:
9:6 - God kills the Egyptians' cattle. Israelites still have living cattle.
9:19 - A warning to Moses that the Israelites' cattle will be killed by the hail if they are not brought inside. Some follow the order, some don't. So some more cattle die. We're still not up to 'all' yet.
12:29 - The firstborn of all remaining cattle (that being the cattle that the Israelites still had) dies. Again a subset of 'cattle' that does not necessarily describe the entire set.

Where's the "all the cattle" here?

To the second part:
Could it possibly be that horses are not lumped in under "behemah" (cattle)?
well, considering that the jews were slaves to the egyptians, the egyptian slave owners made their slaves give up the cattle and horses.

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