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Post: 16340075_1 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:34:39 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:34:39 +0000

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html

Seems people forget that the IDF was doing cross border raids in southern Lebanon, where they were arrested. The IDF already had year long plans for massive blitzkrieging of Lebanon

Yet this all gets spun by the AIPAC controlled Western media.
All the sudden its "were bombing Lebanon as a reponse to them kidnapping our soldiers from Israeli soil and shelling us".

There are SO many lies, it's not even funny. Let's start with a few:

The whole thing I believe is a pretext for staging an ultimate showdown with Iran. So

1) The media says Iran is nearing nuke weapon readyness
2) The media says Iran will start forcing Jews to wear stars
3) The media says the captured soldiers are being taken to Iran

And then, they said Iran is behind the attacks on Lebanon, using Hezbollah as a proxy.

Which is funny...somehow according to the government,
"al Qaeda" is a solely independent onto themself giant monster entity,
but Hezbollah is state sponsored? Something doesnt add up here.

And Israeli scientists say they have race targeting bio weapons...now imagine if Iran boasted of having a "Jew targeting" bio weapon?

And here you have in MAJOR Israeli newspapers, Rabinical scholars and leaders saying "in a time of war, there is no innocents on the other side".
No wonder it doesn't matter to them if there is a thousand "Qana"s.

All I'm saying is, we can never be sure we are being given a truly unbiased and full account of what's really going on.
It's all a shell game, played by both sides.

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Post: 16340075_2 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:06:27 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:06:27 +0000

I was under the impression that the side of the border is still disputed. It could easily be by that Sheba Farms village that's being fought over. That's disputed territory.

However, doing research, it's apparently believed that the soldiers were infultrating the village of Aitaa al-Chaab, in Lebanon, and were captured while in Lebanon. However, this is mostly from indymedia, dailykos, and a few other somewhat biased sources. I see some uncertainty on where from mainstream media, but nothing definite.

Forbes actually says, however, that they were captured during cross-border clashes and that Israeli forces entered to keep the captured soldiers from being taken further into Lebanon. I don't see a dispute in that.

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Seems people forget that the IDF was doing cross border raids in southern Lebanon, where they were arrested. The IDF already had year long plans for massive blitzkrieging of Israel.

I think you mean Lebanon.

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Post: 16340075_3 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:26:51 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:26:51 +0000

I dont even see why you would bring this up as if it were of huge importance. Israel is not attacking the Hezbollah because of two people, they are defending themselves after years and years and being attacked.

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Post: 16340075_4 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:33:17 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:33:17 +0000

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Right. Can we get some sources on these "years and years" of attacks? Like, you know, recent attacks, preferably. I'd like "years and years" to be at least partly in this millenium.

Because, frankly, right now it looks like they're bombing Lebanon into the ground in retaliation for two soldiers being captured. Are you saying, "Oh, they snapped after so long and that completely justifies the killing of 500+ civilians and decimation of entire villages"?

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Post: 16340075_5 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:38:37 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:38:37 +0000

Ah yes I am saying that Israel is fed up of being attacked and these two captives are like the last straw. And when I say years and years I mean ever since Israel became it's own country.

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Post: 16340075_6 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:40:46 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:40:46 +0000

As antisemetic and rasict it might be, I believe Mel Gibson was partially correct. The Jews have been, in some way, connected to the root of many of the wars the world's seen. Israel hasnt really been all that great of a friend to the US anyway, has it? I vaugely recall something about a US ship being seiged by numerous Israeli aircraft. I think I'm going to go look that up..

(I apologize for both the M.G. reference, and the off-topicishness of the post. The M.G. arrest has been on the news here every day since it happened, and I'm kind of tired.)

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Post: 16340075_7 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:41:13 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:41:13 +0000

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Ah yes I am saying that Israel is fed up of being attacked and these two captives are like the last straw. And when I say years and years I mean ever since Israel became it's own country.

Really? I didn't realize that Israel became a country between 1982 and 1985. Because that was when Hezbollah started, AFTER Israel invaded Lebanon and began to occupy it. It began as a resistence movement.

And you're saying that the attacks by Hezbollah, a terrorist organization, make it okay for Israel's government to ACT like a terrorist organization and kill 500+ people in massive indiscriminate bombings?

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Post: 16340075_8 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:47:32 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:47:32 +0000

I never said Israel was created in the 80's I said Hezbollah has been attacking Israel ever since it was a country and the 80's falls into that range when it was a country. And Israel bombs places where Hezbollah members or cashes are, it's not Israel's fault that Hezbollah places their equipment by many innocent people because Hezbollah knows once Israel bombs that place then Hezbollah can easily turn around and make Israel out to be the bad guy.

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Post: 16340075_9 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:52:36 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:52:36 +0000

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But there's no reason for Israel to be bombing on such a large scale. This is between israel, and a anti-israeli(I assume) group, not between Israel and the Lebanese Gov't. Why should Lebanon's innocents be killed in the cross-fire. Israel is going way overboard on what they should be doing, and Lebanon isnt doing enough to protect it's civillians.

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Post: 16340075_10 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:55:51 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:55:51 +0000

The Hezbollah are stationed all over Lebanon that's why Israel attacks so much. Interestingly enough when a Hezbollah missle hits some houses where Israel set aside for Palestine the people there still like the Hezbollah yet Israel has a misfire and everyone hates them.

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Post: 16340075_11 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:56:59 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:56:59 +0000

Patches you never explained why you thought jews were behind so many wars and you might want to explain cause you're kind of sounding a lot like Hitler right now.

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Post: 16340075_12 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:03:01 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:03:01 +0000

jinandjin

No, no. You said:

Quote:

Ah yes I am saying that Israel is fed up of being attacked and these two captives are like the last straw. And when I say years and years I mean ever since Israel became it's own country.

In relation to:

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Israel is not attacking the Hezbollah because of two people, they are defending themselves after years and years and being attacked.

Logical translation: Hezbollah (according to you) has been attacking Israel since it was proclaimed a nation on May 14, 1948.

I suggest you be honest and recant your statement and admit you were incorrect. Because Hezbollah has NOT been attacking Israel "ever since Israel became it's own country."

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Interestingly enough when a Hezbollah missle hits some houses where Israel set aside for Palestine the people there still like the Hezbollah yet Israel has a misfire and everyone hates them.

Cite sources. Also, Israel has had 500+ innocent lives' worth of "misfires."

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Post: 16340075_13 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:03:17 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:03:17 +0000

jinandjin

Patches you never explained why you thought jews were behind so many wars and you might want to explain cause you're kind of sounding a lot like Hitler right now.

I am? I must be typing in my 'extremly charismatic german orator' font again, my mistake.

And notice I didnt say they were behind the wars, I said they were somehow connected to the root of many wars.

Before I give examples to add reasoning to my post though, I'm going to research for a moment. Only so I can make sure to get my facts straight and not make an a** of myself.

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Post: 16340075_14 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:14:49 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:14:49 +0000

I want to make it clear I am vehemently against and sickened by true Islamic extremists: The ones that want to see all Israelis dead, that blow up market st ands or buses, the ones that corrup ttheir kids to hate every non Muslim, and the ones that reject all peace and only want the destruction of Israel...no ifs ands or buts.

But people see this as a Support Israel and Arabs Are Bad Versus a Jew Hating Pro Terrorist black and white belief.
I'd LOVE to visit Israel someday, but I feel it's Israel that's making things into acrazy police state internally and externally.

The world was in horror at Saddam gassing his own people...but WHAT about when the Israeli government did some pretty deliberate horrific genocide on Palestinians and Lebanese in 1982? You literally had thousands of gallons of blood and bodily fluids flooding into nearby Red Cross and relief posts.

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Post: 16340075_15 created on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:15:43 +0000
Posted: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:15:43 +0000

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060802/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_israel

That's one link for Hezbollah misfires. And yes Israel misfires have killed people and that is a horrible thing, but again if you've never heard of all of the Israeli people Hezbollah has killed then do your research on that. Plus Hezbollah has a good foot in the Lebanese government. And yes I suppose I did say the Hezbollah attacking Israel since Israel was a country statement wrong. Hezbollah has been attacking Israel since the Hezbollah was established.

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