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Didn't bundles used to be like $10?


Yes, they used to be. Back in the "good old days", with Lanzer as CEO, nothing in La Victoire cost more than $9.99US. Now, with the evil mismanagement, er, I mean new management, the sky's the limit. I'm surprised they haven't offered virtual items for $10K yet. (Yes, I said that deliberately, ten thousand real-life dollars for virtual goods. The way the new CEO is going, I'm afraid it's only a matter of time before some yahoo actually offers something in one of the four cash shops for that much--and someone with even less sense actually pays it... crying )

I was going to say how the prices are insulting to our intelligence, but it's occurred to me that I don't think the current management realizes why the GC system was set up the way it was.

In reality the original conversion of 0.01 = 1 GC was quite brilliant. It made it look like you had far more in GC than you really had and it made it look cheap. In addition, making sure the bundles were always under 10 dollars (999 as oppose to 1000), it created this illusion that you weren't spending a lot on the bundles. It made it very easy to buy maybe 25 dollars worth of GC every month and justify it because if you were careful you could get several items from the shop or get one or two good evolving items from the shop.

I don't think they realize how painful it looks to see 2499 as a price for a bundle, or to see any item that is in the four digit range. Suddenly you realize you're paying far more than you should, and then you stop and think about how much you're spending on Gaia a month. Really the increase in prices is a horrible idea from a marketing standpoint.


They realize, they just don't care because there are a rare few people rich (and/or foolish) enough to spend that much in a single shot, which is why the admins created the new "members only" Cash Shop just for the suckers rich folks who have now qualms about spending ludicrous amounts of real money for online status symbols.

On the bright side, the grossly inflated gouges in the Cash Shop are driving people to this thread, and thus encouraging them to stop spending money until the new management grows a brain gets the point and starts to listen to us once more.

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Gaia Online cares about its paying users. If you support the site with Gaia Cash, Gaia has a reason to care about your opinions. They could literally lose money if they don't.

If you don't/won't support the site with Gaia Cash, what does Gaia have to lose by displeasing you? Absolutely nothing.

The sooner you realize that, the sooner you will understand the direction this site is taking.

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I have to say this gold inflation is coming on rather strong. The few 100k I needed back in the day would be completely worthless now. The only reason I am able to buy the few things I want is because I am an artist here on gaia. Even then, I rely mostly on tips since I understand that the newcomers to the land of gaia can't afford very much. It is a shame to see the quality of art in the freebies section of the forums degrade because most of the good artists are leaving to set up art shops. I myself have found that art shops are very profitable, but they lack the community vibe that I enjoy in the freebies threads.

I would like to see more attention be paid to the thread layouts. They are decent I must admit and do not require change, though in order to recreate the appeal gaia once had an upgrade is a must. It would be nice to be able to add signs to art shops just like guilds. It would be an excellent add to the aesthetic appeal of the threads and also open up a way for those who don't have very much art skill to make gg by making signs. People come to gaia for many things, but I come here for the art. I would like to see that side of gaia improved.

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WELL GUYS GUESS WHAT. A ONE TRILLION PAYOUT IS HERE. THEY GIVE NO ******** ABOUT US NOT EVEN HALF OF ONE. It was only a matter of time. I just thought it would be a few months. But nope.

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Gaia Online cares about its paying users. If you support the site with Gaia Cash, Gaia has a reason to care about your opinions. They could literally lose money if they don't.

If you don't/won't support the site with Gaia Cash, what does Gaia have to lose by displeasing you? Absolutely nothing.

The sooner you realize that, the sooner you will understand the direction this site is taking.


(I have no idea the true intent of this post, whether its a condemnation of people complaining or a subversive social commentary on Gaia's new practice, so I'm interpreting as I first read it.)

And this right here is the biggest problem with the world today. Because businesses have gone from caring about their customers to caring about the almighty dollar.

Yes, I understand that the point of a business is to earn money, for its owner, for its investors, etc. But that wasn't the point of Gaia, not originally. They created the site as a community and made the money to keep the site up and running by selling donation items, the Monthly Collectibles. Not everyone bought one, but Gaia continued to maintain the site for all its users, not solely for the users doling out $2.50 or more every couple of months.

Those non-buying users saw the items they weren't paying for, wanted them, grinded out daily to earn the gold to purchase them in the Marketplace, increasing the number of ads they saw (which generated profit as well) in the process and by purchasing these items with gold, the demand for people to spend money to then turn around and sell them for gold brought everyone into the loop. This practice is still going on, but with the massive influx of GC, it's made that cycle damn near unattainable for the people who can't or won't sink money into the system. So, we had a Gaia that catered to everyone, cared about everyone and made money. Now we have a Gaia that cares about no one and nothing but money.

Somewhere along the line, they lost sight of what mattered. There is a difference between customer service and customer care. I've been in the business for thirteen years, I do have some insight into that notion. Customer service is what greedy, money hungry businesses do. They are so concerned with increasing the bottom line that they will do anything to make money. Such as selling pixels for a thousand dollars. At the same time, they become less and less competent about actually providing good service. Kinda like how Gaia has neglected so many aspects of the site, that keep everyone happy, in favor of focusing on making bank. I see this every day at my job and people read about similar incidents in the news, most notably in the recent debacle with Comcast. Comcast provides a product everyone wants but are absolutely awful with providing good service. They are one of the biggest companies with the highest rates of customer dissatisfaction.

Customer care is actually treating your customers like a precious commodity. Whether they spend $10 or $1,000, customers are treated exactly the same. Businesses with this model understand that a customer is a customer is a customer and if you spend more time catering to the big spender, you will lose the small spender. They risk ruining their reputation, especially in the age of hyper connectivity, where one bad review can lead to ten potential customers taking their dollars elsewhere. There exists in business an idea that it is cheaper to spend money on retaining repeat customers than it is to draw in a new ones. Competitive advantage. You'll make more money on a frequent customer with good service and care, than you would creating splashy advertising to draw in a new customer, who might just be in it for the deal and leave for greener pastures once that deal is done. Many businesses experienced this with Groupon and Living Social. These people would spend the money to purchase a cheap hotel or meal, but refused to come back and pay the regular price. Whereas frequent customers would spend the extra because the customer care was phenomenal, the service is great and it's worth it to dig a little deeper to pay for that good experience.

But I've gone a little off point. By pointing out that Gaia has no reason to care about its non-paying customers, you've stumbled about why so many users have become so incensed by the new business model Gaia has adhered itself to. This site was founded as a community for all. They've now turned their back on a big portion of the community, in favor of only caring about the users with the open wallets. So that means the only option for users (according to my interpretation of your post) who are adamantly against this subtle shift to pay-to-play is to realize that Gaia no longer cares or wants or values the opinions of those not dropping their hard earned dough on the site and either suck it up and stop complaining, or leave.

And that's crap. This site was built for us, whether we spend money or not. We, as customers, need to demand better care, lest Gaia finds out what happens when they sacrifice customer loyalty for cash. I'm not suggesting Gaia stops attempting to make a profit by selling cash and Cash Shop items. When they were first introduced, it was great. We got a few items a month or over several months, and we didn't have them shoved down our throats with sales, flash sales and dozens of announcements. I bought a few cash items. Others I bought in the market from people who'd paid cash for them. The model worked and everyone was happy. People were willing to pay the little extra, knowing it would help with profit, help maintain, fix and expand the site, and they were happy knowing that the influx of cash was going to help ensure that everyone had a great experience... then it snowballed into something much worse. Inflation, customer dissatisfaction and poor customer care.

Yes, we could just throw our hands up and leave, but why? The popularity of this site was built upon user dedication and this is what we get in return? People need to keep complaining. They need to keep fighting against Gaia to create the change they want, because anything else is telling users to keep silent, go with the new status quo and just accept things as they are.
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i'm making a bunch of fun little avatars for me to draw WHEN THIS SITE HOPEFULLY BURNS TO ASHES

WHY DO I HAVE OVER 9 MILLION GOLD AND I CAN'T AFFORD *ANYTHING*????

this is BAD, MUCH WORSE than a year ago, MUCH WORSE than a month ago, hell i bet it increased in A WEEK!

GOOD GOD IN HEAVEN.

my face when i logged on here after some months of inactivity!

edit: just did the tektek inventory checker, MY INVENTORY IS WORTH ~97,220,953,463 GOLD. THAT SHOULD NOT BE A NUMBER FOR ANY INVENTORY TO REACH, and I know there are ones TRIPLE the amount of mine!

well i'm definitely not moving from my other avatar site, that place actually has common sense. ugh!

gaia used to be such a great place. it's such a shame.

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i sign too if theres still a petition going on

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i'm making a bunch of fun little avatars for me to draw WHEN THIS SITE HOPEFULLY BURNS TO ASHES

WHY DO I HAVE OVER 9 MILLION GOLD AND I CAN'T AFFORD *ANYTHING*????

this is BAD, MUCH WORSE than a year ago, MUCH WORSE than a month ago, hell i bet it increased in A WEEK!

GOOD GOD IN HEAVEN.

my face when i logged on here after some months of inactivity!

edit: just did the tektek inventory checker, MY INVENTORY IS WORTH ~97,220,953,463 GOLD. THAT SHOULD NOT BE A NUMBER FOR ANY INVENTORY TO REACH, and I know there are ones TRIPLE the amount of mine!

well i'm definitely not moving from my other avatar site, that place actually has common sense. ugh!

gaia used to be such a great place. it's such a shame.


actually 5 or 6 times your worth and that's with any 03 or wings. So yes inflation of items is scary.

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actually 5 or 6 times your worth and that's with any 03 or wings. So yes inflation of items is scary.


that's BAD.

i honestly don't know why ANY business owner would see this as a good idea.

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actually 5 or 6 times your worth and that's with any 03 or wings. So yes inflation of items is scary.


that's BAD.

i honestly don't know why ANY business owner would see this as a good idea.


from what others users have said, it forces people to either buy cash or leave. So they aren't using bandwidth on people who don't wanna pay. Since basically the only way to get any new item is to either have a really nice inventory of stuff to sell or pay money. It's a plan from management who has never spent more than 5 years at a company. Why would the current management care if this is a good business plan when they plan to leave in a couple years after trying to make as much money as possible.

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I think that this is not working. you guys should make another thing cause i is not working they keep selling gold generators and the inflation is still there.
we need to make more noise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe outsite gaia show the whole world what they are doing ruining our site.
So, I'm posting to disagree with this thread. Let me clear a few things before I get into it. I'm in no way affiliated with Gaia staff, am being paid by them, or have any interest if GC stays or not. With that out of the way, let me make a few points.

A website costs money to run. You need to pay the domain holder for the .com, you need to pay for utilities if you run the server, or pay for the server access so they can pay their utilities.

Employees at Gaia need to be paid. From people who respond to tickets, to marketing, artists, website designers, etc. Assuming they receive fair wage for these positions, entry level cost for each person should be about 40k/year.

Just like any other company, they want to make more than what they're spending. Why? Because that money gets used to grow the site with research and development to help the site grow and the company keep solvent.

Do you need to spend GC to use the site? No. It's free to use. People who do use it are not gaining any more access to the site then you are by not spending money. They only get digital media that, in the end, isn't worth anything more than having aesthetic changes to your character.

Does this make gold worth less than normal? Yes, and this part could and maybe should be fixed. How? Inserting items worth gold only may drive the economy up. Also, inserting deals that make people want to spend more GC also make gold go up. How? Someone spends GC to buy an item. They turn around and sell that item for gold. Now that they have that gold, there is less gold on the market, which makes the value of gold go up, as there is less of it to have. They later get bored of the item, it has gone down in value because more of them have been bought, so they sell it at less than what they bought it for. More gold is lost because of that, which increases the value of gold since now there is less of it. Mind you I'm no expert on economics, but this is generally why GC can be a good thing for gold.

Do you like using the site? Does it provide something to you? If not, then why are you here? If you think the site is in danger, the answer is to support the site. Which means donating, or spending money to see that the site has a future. If you don't think the site has a future because they're running campaigns to try and stabilize the economy... I'm not sure what to tell you other than the points I've made already.

In the end, the more people who do spend GC, the more this site grows and will become better. Does Gaia or any business running with them have to promise that they'll use any money you spend to grow this site..? No. That's when you have to ask: Is what I'm spending money on worth it for me..? If not, don't spend money and either use the site normally, or find a different hobby. In life, if someone gives you something, you give them something in return. Gaia is giving you a place to post and be free to chat. They're not asking for anything in return. They only ask that if you like this, support them with GC.

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Do you like using the site? Does it provide something to you? If not, then why are you here? If you think the site is in danger, the answer is to support the site. Which means donating, or spending money to see that the site has a future. If you don't think the site has a future because they're running campaigns to try and stabilize the economy... I'm not sure what to tell you other than the points I've made already.

In the end, the more people who do spend GC, the more this site grows and will become better. Does Gaia or any business running with them have to promise that they'll use any money you spend to grow this site..? No. That's when you have to ask: Is what I'm spending money on worth it for me..? If not, don't spend money and either use the site normally, or find a different hobby. In life, if someone gives you something, you give them something in return. Gaia is giving you a place to post and be free to chat. They're not asking for anything in return. They only ask that if you like this, support them with GC.


I think when you forgo customer care entirely you will eventually no longer have a website left to run. People no longer like Gaia Online. It doesn't provide the community and safe space it used to. If it weren't for a friend I owe my life to, I would no longer be here either. People have their reasons for staying...and I think that one day soon those reasons won't be enough anymore.

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