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ANNOUNCEMENT: THIS PETITION WILL BE SHUTTING DOWN

But why you ask? Because am working on getting the boycott in order. Why do we need a boycott? I think having 4 announcements in a day, nerfed BG, those god-awful "free offers" for Cash, and just a general bad attitude from Gaia is enough for me. I think for many of you, too.

I've been reading around many petitions, threads and whatnots, and am trying to construct a logical request/demand with easy ways to help with.

If there is anyone willing to help me with this, please PM me. smile



ANNOUNCEMENT: READ THIS FIRST, PLEASE

To everyone looking at this petition, let me sum this up for you in a few words: WE WANT BALANCE. We completely understand there is Gaia inflation, but we believe there can be a balance and better results in dealing with the inflation than nerfing something we paid for (read the posts below of this page for great ideas). Just like EI and monthly's, we paid real money for them; however, unlike EI and monthly's, we cannot keep them forever. We purchased them with the intention to make money off of them, we bought them when there were no caps on them. There was no warning that there was going to be a cap, there was not even a discussion, not even input - layouts are one thing, but messing with something that real money was invested in is another. We were given something we did not pay for.

Gaia, we love you, we really do, but
this nerfing has to stop.


If they cannot consider our thoughts on this, then they have no right to have our money.

ANNOUNCEMENT2: BOYCOTT (WIP)

Seemingly that Gaia has not been listening to us, and has completely butchered Booty Grab, we (me and other users) are in the talk of a boycott. We are drafting information and a separate thread will be made for this. Since it is separate, no one who signed this petition will be transferred over there unless you explicitly state in the new thread. If you have any ideas on this boycott - what to do, how to, how long, etc. - please, either post up on this thread or PM me (if you wish to remain anonymous.)

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As of today (May 15, 2009), it's not even a week with the new "changes" (ie: nerfed) to the tanks. Well, am already not happy with it and I know a lot of you are not as well. I propose a petition for the developers to see to stop this complete nerf of the tanks.

Problems
- tanks trigger MUCH less now (May 27th: user checked a thread for 3 hours, and 2/4 tanks triggered.)
-- even when they trigger, it's usually 3-4 fish
- there's a cap on how much gold a fish drops (Ie: watermeat fades away at 300g - maybe this happened randomly before, once in a blue moon, but not nearly every tank now. This wasn't here before this "update".)
-- Fish disappears many times before the cap even is reached.
- Overseer drops worse (ie: Nautilus @ 1g 3x week?)

Why Is This a Problem
Many paid real money to get those fish, and it's completely unfair to have something nerfed just because it went so well. At this rate, there is no ROI (return-on-investment.) Some of us may never get our ROI by the time the fish die, and even the drops aren't worth the purchasing price of the fish at this rate. (Taken from xOVERDOSExONxMEx, page 3). We don't even get to keep the fish, but not even this, we were marketed one product, and given another. False advertising is NOT sitting well with us!

This brilliant statement was sent to me via PM, someone who wishes to remain anonymous:
Quote:
One of the reasons for the gold granting changes was, according to Gaia's announcement, to give people more rewards for participating in the public forums and being more sociable.

Gaia Announcement Wrote:
"Specifically, we want to give people more rewards for being social and contributing to the community-- after all, that's what Gaia's all about."

Many lurkers and guild dwellers like myself, have come out of their "safe zones" to participate in the many Booty Grab threads in existence because they are profitable. If BG isn't a lucrative endeavor worth venturing out of our "safe zones" for, then people will retreat back to their hiding places.

In a nutshell, BG draws people into the public forums where they eventually participate in threads outside of their normal stomping grounds, therefore it accomplishes one of their primary objectives they have laid out and nerfing the game is counter-productive.


Proposed Solution
Pick ONE, please. Either pick less triggering, caps, nerf the overseer, or amount triggering, but don't nerf the entire game. Booty Grab was great up until this, now it's more frustrating than anything. And please, next time, when someone writes up "new changes have been implemented", please tell us what those changes were so we're not surprised. If inflation is a problem, that donation/SOS day worked well - hold more of those?
Madonnas BOYTOY - pg9

They should make GOOD gold shop items that people actually WANT to buy. It seems like every time they update the gold shops it's nothing cool, and I don't want to spend my gold on them.
They should have RIGs (random item generators, like the Suspicious Package and the like) available in the gold shops, as well as some aquarium fish and decorations.
The fish wouldn't have to be as cool as the cash fish, and wouldn't need to be high triggers either, and I think that people would still buy them.
Anyway, better gold shop items = more gold removed from the Gaia economy = less inflation.


Please sign your name or write you want to sign the petition, and I will put your names up in the respected post. Also, again, if you have ideas to make this petition better, post them up as well and I will try to incorporate them into the petition. Everyone is welcome to post their opinions!

This is NOT a booty grab thread! Please subscribe! Put a banner in your siggy to support us! For more info or related complaints thread, check out: Nerfed Booty Grab, Watermeats, and Has Anyone Else Noticed?

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Final Thoughts
Bruinor, pg8
The main reason I played was the aquariums. If they have nerfed it, then I see no reason to keep dumping real money into the game. I'm sure many people will share the same sentiment. I came from a game that I paid a monthly fee for. The treatment of the players and them constantly "fixing" s**t that was broken in the first palce is what drove me away. I have no qualms about taking my money elsewhere. I've done it three times now. Will Gaia make it Four?
We, the signed below, acknowledge that the Booty Grab nerf must stop! Signed,

1. Hybride Phantom
And the great Gaia User network that is listed here - can you hear us now, Gaia? Over 700 of us want our Booty Back!
Updates
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June 03, 2009: We're at 685 siggies, almost 700!
May 28, 2009: Over 620 signatures, added boycott info!
May 22, 2009: Hit 520+ signatures!
May 21, 2009: I've been testing out booty grab, and I've noticed that power-ups do indeed last less, about a quarter is left, before it dies. (So 3/4 of it was played before it was removed). Anyone else can help me verify this? Also, does it take less space to get a power-down versus power up?
Schlaghund
CANNOT sucessfulyy sweep gold anymore .. avitar sticks when trying to move now cause of lack of black side screen. I just hit a tank where i should of cleared 2k minimum
2 turtles 2meat 1 memphis 4 lila and ..barly made .... 500 gold..

Due to sticking and not having sweep space for mouse to
pull avitar to sides effectively this new upgrade is once agian a downgrade
I can do 500 gold from 3 turtles..

May 20, 2009: Signatures moved to journal, we're at over 450! added more quotes from the thread, announcements. Response from Chuckp2
Update on Watermeat Gold Interval/Game Gaps. We love you Chuck, but... well, you guys comment. And Chuck and the rest of the developers: read below this post, toward the end! There's some great ideas with how to deal with the economy!
Response to this Post
Erykus, pg 40 (bold for emphasis)
-cough--cough- Sticky in a nutshell. Gaia made a mistake. Watermeats were dropping 2 coins a second while they should have been dropping 1 coin every 8oomilliseconds (1ooomilliseconds = 1 second)

So the closest ratio would be now (currently) Watermeats drop 5 coins every 4 seconds and in the past (during the glitch), watermeats were dropping 8 coins every 4 seconds.

So per minute currently watermeats drop 75g Definitely not worth 750 gaia cash -.-
and in the past they dropped 120g

Response to this Post
Erykus, pg 40 (bold for emphasis)
-cough--cough- Sticky in a nutshell. Gaia made a mistake. Watermeats were dropping 2 coins a second while they should have been dropping 1 coin every 8oomilliseconds (1ooomilliseconds = 1 second)

So the closest ratio would be now (currently) Watermeats drop 5 coins every 4 seconds and in the past (during the glitch), watermeats were dropping 8 coins every 4 seconds.

So per minute currently watermeats drop 75g Definitely not worth 750 gaia cash -.-
and in the past they dropped 120g


May 18, 2009: Added another link to first post about Watermeats, at 250+ siggys now. <3
Quote:
May 18: There seem to have been changes now, the cap is still the same on Watermeats, but they are horribly slow in giving out their coins. Are there more users who have had the same experience? PM me if you know more of this.
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Watermeat drops coins at a very slow rate now. About the same rate as a cuttlefish as far as the dropping goes. I had 4 meats glowing and the people playing in my tank were able to get about 400g per game.

May 17, 2009: Split up posts, at 170+ siggys, added anouncements.
May 16, 2009: Added another 70 signatures (currently 114) as of 11.45AM CT.
-------------------- Edited first post with great comments from users, added more siggys.
May 15, 2009: created, also in the Petition forum linking back here.
Quotes from the Thread
Your guys' opinion made front page! I thought these statements in the thread best explained how we felt, and exemplified our cause. (Whomever wants to be removed from this, just message me and I'll take it down.)

On Inflation
mmz_the_tenth,pg53
Show me a big ticket item that's more than it was in the mp a year ago, and I'll show you 5 that are considerably cheaper.
Horns of the Demon: 1 year ago - 4.6 mil : today 2.45 mil
Golden Laurels: 1 year ago - 3 - 3.5 mil : today 2.27 mil
OMG: 1 year ago - 10 mil. : today 8 mil
Baby Seal Slippers: 1 year ago 1.8 - 1.9 mil : today 1.125 mil

Where is all this inflation? Most things are considerably cheaper than they were a year ago. Is that the inflation I'm hearing so much about?

Miasmae, pg52
Your cheating the people who donated MONEY, -CASH- into gaia so you can all make profit off of the money we spend!
Why not give us what we pay for?


KEIKO DREAMS, pg33
And I'm not buying the "inflation problem" excuse anymore either. Sure the Gaia economy has inflation - so what? I don't think inflation's the real reason Gaia nerfs every popular method members find of earning enough gold to buy things. I think the real reason is fairly obvious. They want Gaians gold poor so that they have to spend real money to get what they want. It's not about inflation - it's about corporate greed.

tenz mule, pg33
So is it OK if they take half the poses away from all of your EI's and MC's that you paid for? I mean you're saying it's ok for them to put out a product one way, promote it, then change it whenever they feel the need. After all, there are "heaps" of different items you can put on instead of the ones you paid for.

Laniphoria, pg34
It probably sucks but if gaia is giving us the 'inflation' reason for doing the nerfing then why don't they make the Phin Phang with Gaia Cash + Gold. Obviously booty grab has been so successful people will bought tons of fish but if they're worried about the economy that much I wouldn't mind paying like 10k or something for a fish along with Gaia cash as long as I can have my original Booty Grab game to play=(

DrownAboutMouse, pg33
I Dare You, Corporate - do the right thing, show us you've got "good business practice" and write up a prompt, highly public and emphatic apology.

Melodianme13, pg41
And now? Watermeats give out less than the cap. They give out half of what they used to and at a slower rate. And is it just me or do the positive power ups no longer last as long as they used to? I have been watching and it disappears while there is still nearly a quarter of its time left.

I may not have spent as much money as some others, but what I did pay, I could not afford. That money could have been put towards food, bills, rent, gas... anything better than a pixel that I already knew was going to disappear in 25 weeks. I expected it to earn me gold so I could buy more things.

This is upsetting and frustrating. I did not get what I paid for and I want a refund.

Kesuke_chan, pg41
In the retail world, we call this a "bait and switch". No pun intended. Bait and switch simply means you lure customers in with promises / visuals of an item, then once you have their money in hand you give them a different item, generally one that's worth significantly less or that has less functionality than the item you indicated they were purchasing. Does anyone else feel like this is what Gaia has done to us?
Quotes from the Thread
Your guys' opinion made front page! I thought these statements in the thread best explained how we felt, and exemplified our cause. (Whomever wants to be removed from this, just message me and I'll take it down.)
X-antippa, pg1 of Petition forum
Here's some facts about the gold involved:
Watermeat: Just a few days ago it was around 200 K in MP and it lives for 25 weeks. 25 x 7 = 175 days. 200,000 divided by 175 = 1142,86. That's what that Watermeat needs to take in in order to have "paid for itself". That means for grabbers a total of 4571,44 g for that fish ALONE.
Now we have a tank with 17 Watermeats... Yes they exist... That's a gold giving of 77,714,48 g per day and a take of 19,428,62 g those day they're all in the tank. The tank owner gets his/her investment back within the time these fishes lives. But how often does that happen - even before???

06 Mustang, pg1
I think putting money into your tank is a huge waste now as you'll never see it again once your fish die. It's not like an avatar where you get to keep the clothes forever.
Even before booty grab the Overseer made sure I got something in return. Nerfing both makes aquariums a Gaia Cash toilet.

JamieF26, pg1
It sucks when a watermeat stops giving gold with 36 seconds left to go

xOVERDOSExONxMEx, pg3
we spend lots of money to acquire these fish and lots of our Gaia gold and now the turn out on them is ridiculously slow. Some of us may never get our money back by the time these fish die. Even the drops aren't worth the purchasing price of the fish at this rate.

peachboi, pg3
If they were going to deflate the return on the game, they should have started lowering the prices of new fish to reflect that.

cristal-belle, pg6
totally unhappy with the changes and feel ripped off

shanana-belle, pg6
Why cant they just leave it alone the way it was already... I paid REAL money for my tank and I don't appreciate having the rules changed on a whim and I'm not sure how quick I will be to purchase a full tank again

nickelandmime, pg4
t was already a little iffy that you'd even cover the amount you paid for the fish, let alone gain any gold from it. What's the point, then, of getting them? I can't really afford to buy lots of stuff on here with real money, especially if the stuff will eventually cease to exist.

sapphina, pg11
Nerfing everything about Booty Grab wasn't just unwise from a community stand point but I think they're going to find it was unwise from a business standpoint. If people can't make gold with aquarium items, they won't buy them. It's that simple.

boogey-kun, pg13
I'm very upset with Gaia over this. It's ridiculous to make changes to the fish that are already in my tank, de-valuing them in front of my eyes, and I don't get any refund for it. There should be PLENTY of people who are very upset because I can see lots of beautiful tanks with lots of expensive high-trigger fish who are in the same boat as me.

SheElf, pg14
I spent REAL CASH (a fair amount).
I feel cheated.
I am very unhappy


kadee, pg4
I, Kadee, do hereby announce my complete and total unhappiness at this turn of events and vow to leave Gaia forever,and take my money elsewhere, if there is no compromise.
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I think putting money into your tank is a huge waste now as you'll never see it again once your fish die. It's not like an avatar where you get to keep the clothes forever.
Even before booty grab the Overseer made sure I got something in return. Nerfing both makes aquariums a Gaia Cash toilet. confused

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JamieF26... It sucks when a watermeat stops giving gold with 36 seconds left to go

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