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[Loona Wynd]

[Kudzu]

csolei

First: Yay! I found the new FAQ, now I can ask my questions again, as I am still very interested in BTW. Ok, so according to Kudzu's thread on Wicca it's up to each individual wiccan to determine their view on deity, is it possible that some one could meet the wiccan deities before iniation or training to start a relationship with them? I am asking as I was in a meditation the other day meeting a Goddess and God and they both said that their names would be revaled to me later on, once the time is right.

I agree with Deoridhe that this would be quite the assumption. However, whether one believes it would be "possible" might depend, in part, on one's deity model. If one believes that "all Gods are one God, all Goddesses are one Goddess and the God and Goddess are one," then people have already met Wiccan deities when they first hear of Jesus or any other deity for that matter.

I, however, am not of that opinion. I believe that the Wiccan Goddess and God are distinct entities and that one learns about them and how to serve them after Initiation. You already clarified that you did not jump to any conclusions about your deities' identities. For this reason, if I were in your position, I would respect the deities that I had met during the meditation for the distinct individuals they are, rather than potentially insulting them with the presumption that they are deities that you have not been properly introduced to and cannot properly serve at present. But, that's just my opinion. You could take an entirely different course of action depending upon your beliefs. smile As to my personal opinion of whether it's "possible," reality is a moot point these days. smile If they are the Wiccan deities, they could certainly provide you with enough proof to help you and any potential Initiators understand what's going on, if that is your path.

Fair enough. I shall just have to wait and see what the future holds.

[CuAnnan]

MyxineDamion

Aren't tattoos illegal for minors anyway?

Not in Ireland. There are no tattoo laws here, AFAIK.

MyxineDamion

She might want to think twice about putting something that will ******** up half of her job interviews on her skin, too.

Yeah, had a near miss with my arm tattoo. Was wearing a long suit jacket but the arm on it slipped up.

[Loona Wynd]

I have a pentacle tatoo on my left shoulder. I got it because of what it means to me, not because I believe I am a member of any religion. Any way, I've been looking at various BTW traditions and was wondering if any one knew anything about the Silver Crescent tradition?

[ShadowSharrow]

Cuchullain

Not in Ireland. There are no tattoo laws here, AFAIK.

True but most repuatible artist will not ink anyone who looks to beunder the age of 16 and some will insist on I.D. and there is a court case pending in which the parents have pressed for assult charges against the tatoo artist
as a minor can not consent to assult or body modifcation or surgery and thier
parent/guardian can only do so. If the case goes badly each stick of the tatoo needle could be deemed an indivual assult.

The Sliver Crescent Traditions one stems from Central Valley Wicca

http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usca&c=trads&id=3848

Quote:

Today, the various branches (we used to call them "Orders" wink that descend from the Central Valley Wicca - and have developed into Traditions in their own right - include: Silver Crescent, Kingstone, Daoine Coire, Assembly of Wicca, and Majestic. Some of the offshoot Traditions from CVW have blended in influences from other related Pagan paths, although most retain the core essence of CVW.

http://www.silvercrescentwicca.net/

[Loona Wynd]

Thaedydal

Cuchullain

Not in Ireland. There are no tattoo laws here, AFAIK.

True but most repuatible artist will not ink anyone who looks to beunder the age of 16 and some will insist on I.D. and there is a court case pending in which the parents have pressed for assult charges against the tatoo artist
as a minor can not consent to assult or body modifcation or surgery and thier
parent/guardian can only do so. If the case goes badly each stick of the tatoo needle could be deemed an indivual assult.

The Sliver Crescent Traditions one stems from Central Valley Wicca

http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usca&c=trads&id=3848

Quote:

Today, the various branches (we used to call them "Orders" wink that descend from the Central Valley Wicca - and have developed into Traditions in their own right - include: Silver Crescent, Kingstone, Daoine Coire, Assembly of Wicca, and Majestic. Some of the offshoot Traditions from CVW have blended in influences from other related Pagan paths, although most retain the core essence of CVW.

http://www.silvercrescentwicca.net/

Thank you very much. 3nodding

[scorplett]

Kalyani Srijoi

... Huh?

You lost me here. The quote Nadreth gave was from a poem written by Lady Gwen Thompson, the Wiccan Credo, which is often confused with a poem written by Doreen Valiente, The Witches Creed. Is that what you're talking about?

http://wicca.timerift.net/laws/credo.shtml
http://wicca.timerift.net/laws/creed.shtml

No I dont mean the credo. I meant exactly what I said! Please excuse my newness to Gaia, but please dont confuse that with a knowledgeless child wink

Ok, this is a topic that is still the cause of some debate. The earliest published version of the redes is by Lady Gwen Thompson in Green Egg (issue#69) magaziene true. However, Lady Gwynn, a proclaimed traditional witch (ie family line) had, as published by Green Egg, atributed the redes to Adriana Porter, Gwynns paternal grandmother. However, much of both the timeline of porter passing it to Gwynn and its subsequent publication and the earliest know public adress of it by Valiente are faulted with factual shortfall and as such this claim, while of recent has been honoured by the internet community is as yet unproven. Im on a public kisok atm so give me a few hours till i get to my own computer and Ill pull togeather some reliable sources to cite if you are interested.

By the way, nice to find somewhere new to chat!!!

[Kalyani Srijoi]

scorplett

Kalyani Srijoi

... Huh?

You lost me here. The quote Nadreth gave was from a poem written by Lady Gwen Thompson, the Wiccan Credo, which is often confused with a poem written by Doreen Valiente, The Witches Creed. Is that what you're talking about?

http://wicca.timerift.net/laws/credo.shtml
http://wicca.timerift.net/laws/creed.shtml

No I dont mean the credo. I meant exactly what I said! Please excuse my newness to Gaia, but please dont confuse that with a knowledgeless child wink

Ok, this is a topic that is still the cause of some debate. The earliest published version of the redes is by Lady Gwen Thompson in Green Egg (issue#69) magaziene true. However, Lady Gwynn, a proclaimed traditional witch (ie family line) had, as published by Green Egg, atributed the redes to Adriana Porter, Gwynns paternal grandmother. However, much of both the timeline of porter passing it to Gwynn and its subsequent publication and the earliest know public adress of it by Valiente are faulted with factual shortfall and as such this claim, while of recent has been honoured by the internet community is as yet unproven. Im on a public kisok atm so give me a few hours till i get to my own computer and Ill pull togeather some reliable sources to cite if you are interested.

By the way, nice to find somewhere new to chat!!!

... Aaaaah. I see. I think.

[SiegeGunn]

"When misfortune is enow, wear the Blue Star on thy brow."

I actually quoted this from a book I have called "Wiccan Beliefs & Practices" By, Gary Cantrell. It was in the Appendix A section which listed two different variations of the rede.

The first variation is listed as possibly attributed to Doreen Valienti and it does contain the quote.

The second variation also contains this quote and was (acording to this book) supposedly given to Gwen Thompson by Adriana Porter in the 1930s.

I had run across the quote several times before in various contexts that generally had to do with the Rede and I was curious as to what it meant.

As Phoenixfire Lune earlier suggested I thought originally that it simply meant that wearing a pentacle or pentagram granted protection. However two things made me think it might mean more, first of all it says the Blue Star, and secondly it suggests you wear it on your brow.

This made me think that either standing beneath a blue star grants protection or prehaps it literally meant to paint a blue star on your brow. The first made more sense to me, standing beneath a blue star.

However as I have only three or so years of study behind me I come on here to ask about what that particular quote might refer to.

Blessed Be

[Miss Lune Soleil]

Well I see no reason why one could not paint a blue star on one's brow in ritual smile Making temporary markings and symbols like that isn't unusual.

Bear in mind that in various Wiccan and Ceremonial rituals, invoking pentagrams that are drawn in the air are often done while visualising blue flame or energy where it is drawn. That may show the significance of the colour.

[Kalyani Srijoi]

Phoenixfire Lune Soleil

Well I see no reason why one could not paint a blue star on one's brow in ritual smile Making temporary markings and symbols like that isn't unusual.

Bear in mind that in various Wiccan and Ceremonial rituals, invoking pentagrams that are drawn in the air are often done while visualising blue flame or energy where it is drawn. That may show the significance of the colour.

The term 'aether' derives from a greek word refering to the clear sky, the place of pure, clean air where the gods lived and breathed. Akasha (a term synonymous with aether) has a similar meaning in its original hindu - 'Akash' means sky. Perhaps this is the source of the color blue associated with aether?

[CuAnnan]

Thaedydal

Cuchullain

Not in Ireland. There are no tattoo laws here, AFAIK.

True but most repuatible artist will not ink anyone who looks to beunder the age of 16 and some will insist on I.D. and there is a court case pending in which the parents have pressed for assult charges against the tatoo artist
as a minor can not consent to assult or body modifcation or surgery and thier
parent/guardian can only do so. If the case goes badly each stick of the tatoo needle could be deemed an indivual assult.

Yeah, the place I go (Celestial Ring) won't tattoo minors at all.
They're fairly strict about the form of ID as well, the only accept drivers licence, tattoo, reputable university cards (if it's laminated, ******** off), garda age cards, etc.

[Miss Lune Soleil]

Kalyani Srijoi

Phoenixfire Lune Soleil

Well I see no reason why one could not paint a blue star on one's brow in ritual smile Making temporary markings and symbols like that isn't unusual.

Bear in mind that in various Wiccan and Ceremonial rituals, invoking pentagrams that are drawn in the air are often done while visualising blue flame or energy where it is drawn. That may show the significance of the colour.

The term 'aether' derives from a greek word refering to the clear sky, the place of pure, clean air where the gods lived and breathed. Akasha (a term synonymous with aether) has a similar meaning in its original hindu - 'Akash' means sky. Perhaps this is the source of the color blue associated with aether?

Maybe that too smile I have heard of symbolic meaning to the "blue flame" more frequently though, which is probably why it came to mind. I'd have to look it up in my CM books, I forget the specifics. It just seem to fit in: blue star - blue flame pentagrams in ritual

[Kalyani Srijoi]

Phoenixfire Lune Soleil

Kalyani Srijoi

Phoenixfire Lune Soleil

Well I see no reason why one could not paint a blue star on one's brow in ritual smile Making temporary markings and symbols like that isn't unusual.

Bear in mind that in various Wiccan and Ceremonial rituals, invoking pentagrams that are drawn in the air are often done while visualising blue flame or energy where it is drawn. That may show the significance of the colour.

The term 'aether' derives from a greek word refering to the clear sky, the place of pure, clean air where the gods lived and breathed. Akasha (a term synonymous with aether) has a similar meaning in its original hindu - 'Akash' means sky. Perhaps this is the source of the color blue associated with aether?

Maybe that too smile I have heard of symbolic meaning to the "blue flame" more frequently though, which is probably why it came to mind. I'd have to look it up in my CM books, I forget the specifics. It just seem to fit in: blue star - blue flame pentagrams in ritual

Oh, that'd be nice. I ought to include a section about the elements. I think it'd be particularly good to discuss the origins of those four+aether... ooh, maybe I should do something about the pentacle. Origins if I can find them, and a bit on the idea that satanists 'perveted' the Wicca emblem. rolleyes

There are a lot of little things like that I should add... huh. I wish I had reserved more than two posts. gonk

[Axioma]

Four plus aether? Jeez, update your cosmologies, people! It's four elements plus monodimensional strings!

EDIT: What is the elemental weapon of monodimensional strings? The garotte.