What should happen to the "waste" from abortions?

What should happen to the "Waste" from abortions?

give it to the parents to do as they want	4.1%	[ 3 ]
Get rid of it at the clinic, we don't want to give human blood and things to untrained people!	28.8%	[ 21 ]
At a certian point give the parents and option	24.7%	[ 18 ]
Other	28.8%	[ 21 ]
Poll Whore	13.7%	[ 10 ]
Total Votes:			[ 73 ]

[Calmer]

Zensomnia

I thought we were clear on this. Both women and fetuses have no rights.

Since the debate is rapidly moving towards the stupid.

[Lux-Christi]

Alexi Terianis

Except you didn't explain why, and you seem not to care to.

Sic enim Ecclesia Ipsa dixit! biggrin

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Are you willing, then, to toss aside a woman's natural rights to her own body?

Petitio principii.

[AllianceSJR]

Lux-Christi

Don't play dumb, you annoying pest. wink

I'm dead serious, I don't know what you refer to.

Lux-Christi

Since when do I care about either? confused

You didn't. And you don't have to. However, they'll both be against you in this case, regardless of your measure of apathy.

Lux-Christi

But alas, I am the Iron Man, and my opinion supercedes all others. 3nodding

Ah, so that explains Tony Stark's rampant insanity. Suddenly, it all makes sense.

[Lux-Christi]

AllianceSJR

I'm dead serious, I don't know what you refer to.

Er...the Catholic Church. confused

[AllianceSJR]

Lux-Christi

Er...the Catholic Church. confused

All right. And the second part?

[Lux-Christi]

AllianceSJR

All right. And the second part?

What about the second part? I don't care about the Bible or the American law in this respect, and me being the Iron Man really is irrelevent to the debate. question

[AllianceSJR]

Lux-Christi

What about the second part?

The second part was where you show me where the Catholic Church says so, of course.

[Alexi Terianis]

Lux-Christi

Sic enim Ecclesia Ipsa dixit! biggrin

Petitio principii.

My apologies, but I believe the language of our current debate was english, not latin. That point aside:

The church does not say such things. In fact, I'm almost certain that any sort of mainstream (read: not radical) religious sect has no sort of official stance on abortion at all.

And tell me, would anyone have a right to hook you up to a dialysis machine and force you to stay within arms reach of them for nine months so that they may survive?

[evilweevil]

Lux-Christi

AllianceSJR

All right. And the second part?

What about the second part? I don't care about the Bible or the American law in this respect, and me being the Iron Man really is irrelevent to the debate. question

So, you're claiming that what you're preaching is based in the beliefs of the Catholic Church, yet not the Bible has no place in this debate. So, what, you're basing everything on the Catechism? I'd assume so, since Catholicism is based equally in the Bible and in Holy Tradition.

Oh. Wait. The Catechism is based mainly on the Bible and interpretations of said book.

So, um, clarification, please?

[evilweevil]

Alexi Terianis

The church does not say such things. In fact, I'm almost certain that any sort of mainstream (read: not radical) religious sect has no sort of official stance on abortion at all.

Actually, sorry, Alex, the Catholic Church does directly condemn abortion.

From the Catholic Catechism, #470:
"The fifth commandment forbids as gravely contrary to the moral law: ...

direct abortion, willed as an end or as means, as well as cooperation in it. Attached to this sin is the penalty of excommunication because, from the moment of his or her conception, the human being must be absolutely respected and protected in his integrity;"

[Alexi Terianis]

evilweevil

Actually, sorry, Alex, the Catholic Church does directly condemn abortion.

From the Catholic Catechism, #470:
"The fifth commandment forbids as gravely contrary to the moral law: ...

direct abortion, willed as an end or as means, as well as cooperation in it. Attached to this sin is the penalty of excommunication because, from the moment of his or her conception, the human being must be absolutely respected and protected in his integrity;"

Oh snap, an actual response. You know EvWeEv, I wasn't expecting someone to respond with anything reasonable. Do you support this view, or are you against it? Because I rather like to argue it.

[AllianceSJR]

evilweevil

From the Catholic Catechism, #470:
"The fifth commandment forbids as gravely contrary to the moral law: ...

direct abortion, willed as an end or as means, as well as cooperation in it. Attached to this sin is the penalty of excommunication because, from the moment of his or her conception, the human being must be absolutely respected and protected in his integrity;"

Thanks, that's what I was asking Barraketh.

All right. Now I know where he's coming from. Now as to the justification of a Krystallnacht?

[evilweevil]

Alexi Terianis

Oh snap, an actual response. You know EvWeEv, I wasn't expecting someone to respond with anything reasonable. Do you support this view, or are you against it? Because I rather like to argue it.

Sorry, kid. I'm a good Catholic girl. I'm against abortion. FOR ME. And for other followers of my religion.

I will personally never have an abortion (well, there's one circumstance: Where both I and the baby will die if I carry it to fullterm. Then I would -- MAYBE. That's the only circumstance I can think of, though.) and I will always most likely advise others to not have one.

But! I don't believe in imposing my religious beliefs on others, so I'm pro-choice. I just hope/pray/etc, in a non-imposing manner, that other's CHOOSE to not have abortions.

[Alexi Terianis]

evilweevil

Sorry, kid. I'm a good Catholic girl. I'm against abortion. FOR ME. And for other followers of my religion.

I will personally never have an abortion (well, there's one circumstance: Where both I and the baby will die if I carry it to fullterm. Then I would -- MAYBE. That's the only circumstance I can think of, though.) and I will always most likely advise others to not have one.

But! I don't believe in imposing my religious beliefs on others, so I'm pro-choice. I just hope/pray/etc, in a non-imposing manner, that other's CHOOSE to not have abortions.

Excellent! I was hoping that's how you respond. So, can you tell me why it would be wrong to have an abortion? Do you honestly believe that an entity is human from the moment it is concieved? For that matter, what does make you forgo your rights to your body that you would act in such a manner?

Or is it simply your faith which say so? That is, I might add, an answer I respect and will not attack, because I believe as you do, that imposing beliefs on others is not wanted or appreciated, nor is it moral. I do, however, fail to understand what makes it a child so early that it cannot even be detected yet?